From windsor@warthog.com Wed Feb 15 23:57:17 2012 Received: from mailhost.warthog.com (warthog.com [174.136.4.16]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1FNvBua016358 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:57:17 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.warthog.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85CDDA639F2 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:57:07 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at warthog.com Received: from mailhost.warthog.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailhost.warthog.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dA6otOsY4Z+v for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:57:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhost.warthog.com (warthog.com [174.136.4.16]) by mailhost.warthog.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBDEDA63A06 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:57:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:57:06 -0600 (CST) From: Rob Windsor To: users@conserver.com Subject: recommendations for "dumb" console servers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52bc3641-ecb3-4e51-b665-8bd55dba2581@warthog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [76.182.238.212] X-Mailer: Zimbra 7.1.0_GA_3140 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/7.1.0_GA_3140) X-Spam-Score: -3.529 () BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 209.182.219.30 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:57:17 -0000 Ideally, I'd get a wad of Cisco AS-2511-RJs, but I'd rather buy new-manufacture equipment. Anyone got a lead on the modern equivalent? I've poked around Lantronix, Digi, and Cyclades (Avocent), but all of their offerings are embedded with linux so that they can receive ssh. Thanks. Rob++ -- pubkey: http://www.talgas.com/misc/rob_windsor-pubkey.txt Internet: windsor@warthog.com Life: Rob@Carrollton.Texas.USA.Earth "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance." -- Major General John Sedgwick From cpz@tuunq.com Thu Feb 16 01:02:07 2012 Received: from mail.tuunq.com (75-101-13-164.dsl.static.sonic.net [75.101.13.164]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1G11vqV018742 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:02:07 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ruan.tuunq.com [198.3.161.2]) by mail.tuunq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EDD7AD; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:01:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3C5579.2010801@tuunq.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:01:45 -0800 From: Carl Zwanzig User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Windsor Subject: Re: recommendations for "dumb" console servers References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.5 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 209.182.219.30 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:02:07 -0000 On 2/15/2012 3:57 PM, Rob Windsor wrote: > I've poked around Lantronix, Digi, and Cyclades (Avocent), but all of > their offerings are embedded with linux so that they can receive ssh. Is that a problem? z! From windsor@warthog.com Thu Feb 16 01:09:09 2012 Received: from mailhost.warthog.com (warthog.com [174.136.4.16]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1G193uC018891 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:09:09 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.warthog.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA641DA63B65; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:09:02 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at warthog.com Received: from mailhost.warthog.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailhost.warthog.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v2qbFnX-k-gc; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:08:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhost.warthog.com (warthog.com [174.136.4.16]) by mailhost.warthog.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD29DA63B4D; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:08:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:08:49 -0600 (CST) From: Rob Windsor To: Carl Zwanzig Subject: Re: recommendations for "dumb" console servers Message-ID: <06e72f42-1e37-4ccc-949b-58bf4db33908@warthog.com> In-Reply-To: <4F3C5579.2010801@tuunq.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [76.182.238.212] X-Mailer: Zimbra 7.1.0_GA_3140 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/7.1.0_GA_3140) X-Spam-Score: -3.529 () BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 209.182.219.30 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:09:09 -0000 Carl Zwanzig wrote: > On 2/15/2012 3:57 PM, Rob Windsor wrote: > > I've poked around Lantronix, Digi, and Cyclades (Avocent), but all > > of > > their offerings are embedded with linux so that they can receive > > ssh. > > Is that a problem? It immediately doubles the price tag, so yeah. Rob++ -- pubkey: http://www.talgas.com/misc/rob_windsor-pubkey.txt Internet: windsor@warthog.com Life: Rob@Carrollton.Texas.USA.Earth "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance." -- Major General John Sedgwick From cross+conserver@distal.com Thu Feb 16 01:23:21 2012 Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1G1NCsq019147 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:23:21 GMT Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aRLc1i00A0bG4ec5ERPBmC; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:23:11 +0000 Received: from mail.distal.com ([98.204.205.37]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aRPA1i00V0owJwa3PRPAlt; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:23:11 +0000 Received: from magrathea.distal.com (magrathea.distal.com [IPv6:2001:470:e24c:200:ea06:88ff:feca:960e]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.distal.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1G1N8jH012942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:23:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: recommendations for "dumb" console servers Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Chris Ross In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:23:07 -0500 Message-Id: <73F7CEDE-0757-4DD2-80B3-ECC1894F9CB9@distal.com> References: To: Rob Windsor X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (mail.distal.com [IPv6:2001:470:e24c:200::ae25]); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:23:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Score: -1.5 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 209.182.219.30 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id q1G1NCsq019147 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:23:21 -0000 On Feb 15, 2012, at 18:57 , Rob Windsor wrote: > Ideally, I'd get a wad of Cisco AS-2511-RJs, but I'd rather buy new-manufacture equipment. Nah, get some 3640's off of ebay with a few NM-32A's. I have a 3620 in my home rack, and built a large installation with 3640's (before the 3660's were made) many years ago. :-) Okay, if you *really* require new manufacture equipment, it won't help, but much better for space than the 2511's. - Chris From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Thu Feb 16 01:24:44 2012 Received: from support.opsdc.com (support.opsdc.com [65.254.219.9]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1G1Obgm019185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:24:44 GMT Received: from [192.168.100.2] ([192.168.100.2]) by support.opsdc.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1G1OTCc029713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:24:30 -0500 Subject: Re: recommendations for "dumb" console servers From: Chris Fowler To: Rob Windsor In-Reply-To: <06e72f42-1e37-4ccc-949b-58bf4db33908@warthog.com> References: <06e72f42-1e37-4ccc-949b-58bf4db33908@warthog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:24:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1329355471.24776.44.camel@compaq-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.5 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 209.182.219.30 Cc: Carl Zwanzig , users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: cfowler@opsdc.com List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:24:44 -0000 On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 19:08 -0600, Rob Windsor wrote: > > It immediately doubles the price tag, so yeah. How did you come to that conclusion? Just go on eBay and buy old stuff. From cross+conserver@distal.com Thu Feb 16 01:50:15 2012 Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1G1o7Cc019619 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:50:14 GMT Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aRns1i0040bG4ec5BRq7hR; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:50:07 +0000 Received: from mail.distal.com ([98.204.205.37]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aRq71i0060owJwa3PRq7ag; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:50:07 +0000 Received: from magrathea.distal.com (magrathea.distal.com [206.138.151.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.distal.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1G1o34T015611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:50:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: recommendations for "dumb" console servers Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Chris Ross In-Reply-To: <1329355471.24776.44.camel@compaq-desktop> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:50:03 -0500 Message-Id: <803F1553-16EA-46D6-8A66-5416B4430914@distal.com> References: <06e72f42-1e37-4ccc-949b-58bf4db33908@warthog.com> <1329355471.24776.44.camel@compaq-desktop> To: cfowler@opsdc.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (mail.distal.com [206.138.151.250]); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:50:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Score: -1.5 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 209.182.219.30 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id q1G1o7Cc019619 Cc: Carl Zwanzig , users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:50:15 -0000 On Feb 15, 2012, at 20:24 , Chris Fowler wrote: > On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 19:08 -0600, Rob Windsor wrote: >> >> It immediately doubles the price tag, so yeah. > > How did you come to that conclusion? Just go on eBay and buy old stuff. Some people want/need to buy "new" equipment. In this economy, it's nice to be able to buy things off of eBay, and I do that for myself personally, but a lot of companies have requirements that things are bought through channels, and from businesses, etc etc. His conclusion is likely based simply on looking at new equipment from suppliers. And an understandable likelihood. Not very many people are making "dumb" or "simple" anything these days. - Chris From prvs=83936E96E8=hakansom@ohsu.edu Thu Feb 16 01:55:45 2012 Received: from twedge02.ohsu.edu (twedge02.ohsu.edu [137.53.6.166]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1G1tbK7019740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:55:45 GMT Received: from twapp02.ohsu.edu (ace-app2edge-out-vip.ohsu.edu [10.76.7.12]) by twedge02.ohsu.edu (Axway MailGate 3.8.1) with ESMTP id 2FCEB36C203; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:55:32 -0800 (PST) X-WSS-ID: 0LZGQON-0H-44U-02 X-M-MSG: X-TMWD-Spam-Summary: TS=20120216015535; ID=1; SEV=2.4.2; DFV=B2012021601; IFV=NA; AIF=B2012021601; RPD=NA; ENG=NA; RPDID=NA; CAT=NONE; CON=NONE; SIG=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAfwAAAQAAfQ== Received: from kyklops.ohsu.edu (ace-hub2app-out-vip.ohsu.edu [10.76.7.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by twapp02.ohsu.edu (Axway MailGate 3.8.1) with ESMTP id 269685A32F2E; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:55:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from kyklops.ohsu.edu (kyklops.local [127.0.0.1]) by kyklops.ohsu.edu (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1G1tZQV004179; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:55:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hakansom@localhost) by kyklops.ohsu.edu (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4/Submit) id q1G1tYcU004177; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:55:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <201202160155.q1G1tYcU004177@kyklops.ohsu.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.3 To: Rob Windsor Subject: Re: recommendations for "dumb" console servers In-Reply-To: Message from Rob Windsor of "Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:57:06 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:55:34 -0800 From: Marion Hakanson X-Spam-Score: -3.529 () BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 209.182.219.30 Cc: "users@conserver.com" X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:55:45 -0000 windsor@warthog.com said: > Ideally, I'd get a wad of Cisco AS-2511-RJs, but I'd rather buy > new-manufacture equipment. > > Anyone got a lead on the modern equivalent? > > I've poked around Lantronix, Digi, and Cyclades (Avocent), but all of their > offerings are embedded with linux so that they can receive ssh. We've been using the Perle JetStream 8500 (48-port version). While that's discontinued, there is a similar product under their "IOLAN" product line. Some have the "smart console server" functionality, but some do not, e.g.: http://www.perle.com/products/IOLAN-STS-Terminal-Server.shtml These can optionally be used with driver software on your "conserver" machine which talk to genuine Unix tty's, which in turn are mapped via reverse-telnet to ports on the terminal server. That's how we use it here. Regards, Marion From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Thu Feb 16 02:16:24 2012 Received: from support.opsdc.com (support.opsdc.com [65.254.219.9]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1G2GH6e021005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:16:24 GMT Received: from [192.168.100.2] ([192.168.100.2]) by support.opsdc.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1G2FxhL031819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:16:09 -0500 Subject: Re: recommendations for "dumb" console servers From: Chris Fowler To: Rob Windsor In-Reply-To: <06e72f42-1e37-4ccc-949b-58bf4db33908@warthog.com> References: <06e72f42-1e37-4ccc-949b-58bf4db33908@warthog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:15:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1329358559.24776.45.camel@compaq-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.5 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 209.182.219.30 Cc: Carl Zwanzig , users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: cfowler@opsdc.com List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:16:24 -0000 On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 19:08 -0600, Rob Windsor wrote: > Carl Zwanzig wrote: > > On 2/15/2012 3:57 PM, Rob Windsor wrote: > > > I've poked around Lantronix, Digi, and Cyclades (Avocent), but all > > > of > > > their offerings are embedded with linux so that they can receive > > > ssh. > > > > Is that a problem? > > It immediately doubles the price tag, so yeah. How many ports do you need? I may have something in my attic. From windsor@warthog.com Thu Feb 16 03:11:29 2012 Received: from mailhost.warthog.com (warthog.com [174.136.4.16]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1G3BNDE022852 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:11:29 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.warthog.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E50DA63D82; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:11:22 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at warthog.com Received: from mailhost.warthog.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailhost.warthog.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BlcTagGP-wVB; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:11:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhost.warthog.com (warthog.com [174.136.4.16]) by mailhost.warthog.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BE1DA63DAC; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:11:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:11:06 -0600 (CST) From: Rob Windsor To: Chris Ross Subject: Re: recommendations for "dumb" console servers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <803F1553-16EA-46D6-8A66-5416B4430914@distal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [76.182.238.212] X-Mailer: Zimbra 7.1.0_GA_3140 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/7.1.0_GA_3140) X-Spam-Score: -3.529 () BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 209.182.219.30 Cc: Carl Zwanzig , users@conserver.com, cfowler@opsdc.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:11:30 -0000 Chris Ross wrote: > On Feb 15, 2012, at 20:24 , Chris Fowler wrote: >> On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 19:08 -0600, Rob Windsor wrote: >>> It immediately doubles the price tag, so yeah. >> How did you come to that conclusion? Just go on eBay and buy old >> stuff. > Some people want/need to buy "new" equipment. In this economy, > it's nice to be able to buy things off of eBay, and I do that for > myself personally, but a lot of companies have requirements that > things are bought through channels, and from businesses, etc etc. > His conclusion is likely based simply on looking at new equipment > from suppliers. And an understandable likelihood. Not very many > people are making "dumb" or "simple" anything these days. dingdingding. I already have two (or more, depending on how far I dig) terminal servers at home for personal use, one of which is a Cisco 2511RJ. ;) (this is also an answer to Chris Fowler's comment later in this thread) This is for work. We're not buying out-of-production gear. (I love my job) Primarily, we need serial access to network gear at remote sites for times when they "go off the reservation". We had a pair of ShoreTel SG90s in Ontario, Calif that were giving us grief last week, for example. Several folks have recommended Opengear (OpenGear? opengear?) off-list, so that's where I'm leaning. Rob++ -- pubkey: http://www.talgas.com/misc/rob_windsor-pubkey.txt Internet: windsor@warthog.com Life: Rob@Carrollton.Texas.USA.Earth "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance." -- Major General John Sedgwick From windsor@warthog.com Thu Feb 16 03:14:57 2012 Received: from mailhost.warthog.com (warthog.com [174.136.4.16]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1G3EqEc022945 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:14:57 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.warthog.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2F7DA63D82; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:14:51 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at warthog.com Received: from mailhost.warthog.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailhost.warthog.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xmDL0GVJnP9R; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:14:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhost.warthog.com (warthog.com [174.136.4.16]) by mailhost.warthog.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD180DA63DC5; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:14:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:14:48 -0600 (CST) From: Rob Windsor To: Marion Hakanson Subject: Re: recommendations for "dumb" console servers Message-ID: <66124987-980e-4b13-956a-05c8a98d1710@warthog.com> In-Reply-To: <201202160155.q1G1tYcU004177@kyklops.ohsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [76.182.238.212] X-Mailer: Zimbra 7.1.0_GA_3140 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/7.1.0_GA_3140) X-Spam-Score: -3.529 () BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 209.182.219.30 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:14:57 -0000 Yeah, I'm familiar with their IOLAN line. I had one of those back in 2000 (before Perle acquired Chase). I think I successfully pawned that beast off onto an employer up in Massachusetts about five years ago. Rob++ ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marion Hakanson" > To: "Rob Windsor" > Cc: users@conserver.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:55:34 PM > Subject: Re: recommendations for "dumb" console servers > > windsor@warthog.com said: > > Ideally, I'd get a wad of Cisco AS-2511-RJs, but I'd rather buy > > new-manufacture equipment. > > > > Anyone got a lead on the modern equivalent? > > > > I've poked around Lantronix, Digi, and Cyclades (Avocent), but all > > of their > > offerings are embedded with linux so that they can receive ssh. > > We've been using the Perle JetStream 8500 (48-port version). While > that's discontinued, there is a similar product under their "IOLAN" > product line. Some have the "smart console server" functionality, > but some do not, e.g.: > > http://www.perle.com/products/IOLAN-STS-Terminal-Server.shtml > > These can optionally be used with driver software on your "conserver" > machine which talk to genuine Unix tty's, which in turn are mapped > via reverse-telnet to ports on the terminal server. That's how we > use it here. > > Regards, > > Marion > > > -- pubkey: http://www.talgas.com/misc/rob_windsor-pubkey.txt Internet: windsor@warthog.com Life: Rob@Carrollton.Texas.USA.Earth "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance." -- Major General John Sedgwick From lsc@luke.xen.prgmr.com Thu Feb 16 03:54:20 2012 Received: from luke.xen.prgmr.com (luke.xen.prgmr.com [38.99.2.47]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1G3sEJE023531 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:54:20 GMT Received: by luke.xen.prgmr.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id 39AEB13C001; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:54:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:54:12 -0500 From: "Luke S. Crawford" To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: recommendations for "dumb" console servers Message-ID: <20120216035412.GA27080@luke.xen.prgmr.com> References: <803F1553-16EA-46D6-8A66-5416B4430914@distal.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Spam-Score: -3.529 () BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 209.182.219.30 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:54:20 -0000 On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 09:11:06PM -0600, Rob Windsor wrote: > Several folks have recommended Opengear (OpenGear? opengear?) off-list, so that's where I'm leaning. +1 opengear. I bought a 48 port cm4000 a while back and for a long time, I had it on the open Internet at a datacenter without a proper administrative network. I am not recommending that, of course, but I was careless and I didn't get burnt. I like it when good, up-to-date equipment can cover for me like that. (It's now behind my firewall on the very private network with the old Cyclades TS-3000 stuff I've got, and accessed through conserver.) I think I paid $1700 or so using the opengear recommended vendor without trying to negotiate. Looks like it's closer to two kilobucks now, but still, a reasonable per-port cost if it's for work. I mean, it is still an embedded Linux box with a bunch of serial ports, but if your only objection to that was price, the Opengear is cheaper than the just the support contract you need to get access to firmware for anything made by cisco. From pabutusa@gmail.com Thu Feb 16 13:11:00 2012 Received: from mail-qw0-f43.google.com (mail-qw0-f43.google.com [209.85.216.43]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1GDArRf023887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:10:59 GMT Received: by qabg1 with SMTP id g1so11578225qab.9 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:10:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SIfJsMoZjeqFxkbO8n1kqdtP7UfRp8BwD5KG5dNS3+U=; b=QzeL5cX1HyjoCwKqbAb1eVoJvagSIRdFlqTN6tUIykB++s0yaem6/I0XDEBvblwLof IORzteb21rYvI2VcW4gG7hGUT4TM1epykg7HrGZkHEg5nE6pnQp6NYVtBndVmAH85Yxm wTvMXk9LhNI71Se/D43WCdyKgjgeDUU8hctos= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.136.71 with SMTP id q7mr1791697qct.127.1329397852324; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:10:52 -0800 (PST) Sender: pabutusa@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.41.21 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:10:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <52bc3641-ecb3-4e51-b665-8bd55dba2581@warthog.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:10:51 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0dyqzDbbTbG0qSkIO-RiqBkBkJ0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: recommendations for "dumb" console servers From: Rob To: Rob Windsor Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00248c767e46c0c3cd04b9148e1e X-Spam-Score: -1.488 () BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,T_DKIM_INVALID X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 209.182.219.30 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:11:00 -0000 --00248c767e46c0c3cd04b9148e1e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MRV has been good to me .... inexpensive (Fortune 500 inexpensive .... not hobby or startup inexpensive) very flexible ... works well with conserver .... http://www.mrv.com/product/MRV-IR-LX4000TB/ On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Rob Windsor wrote: > Ideally, I'd get a wad of Cisco AS-2511-RJs, but I'd rather buy > new-manufacture equipment. > > Anyone got a lead on the modern equivalent? > > I've poked around Lantronix, Digi, and Cyclades (Avocent), but all of > their offerings are embedded with linux so that they can receive ssh. > > Thanks. > > Rob++ > -- > pubkey: http://www.talgas.com/misc/rob_windsor-pubkey.txt > Internet: windsor@warthog.com > Life: Rob@Carrollton.Texas.USA.Earth > > "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance." > -- Major General John Sedgwick > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users > --00248c767e46c0c3cd04b9148e1e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MRV has been good to me .... inexpensive (Fortune 500 inexpensive .... not = hobby or startup inexpensive) very flexible ... works well with conserver .= ...

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On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Ro= b Windsor <wind= sor@warthog.com> wrote:
Ideally, I'd get a wad of Cisco AS-2511-RJs, but I'd rather buy new= -manufacture equipment.

Anyone got a lead on the modern equivalent?

I've poked around Lantronix, Digi, and Cyclades (Avocent), but all of t= heir offerings are embedded with linux so that they can receive ssh.

Thanks.

Rob++
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