From Mark.Wedel@Sun.Com Fri Jan 5 11:53:48 2007 Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l05JrgiL013013 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.154.35]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l05Jrbps007240 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:53:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from domus.sfbay.sun.com (domus.SFBay.Sun.COM [10.6.64.11]) by sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id l05Jraji008177 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.146.108.170] (sleipner.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.170]) by domus.sfbay.sun.com (Trusted Solaris (8.11.7)/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l05JraP19129 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:53:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <459EAC65.8000703@Sun.Com> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:52:05 -0800 From: Mark Wedel User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061127) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: users@conserver.com Subject: consolue -u stops, gets Connection timed out Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.312 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:53:49 -0000 I'm running a fairly large installation with conserver (1100+ console). Doing a console -u will print out a bunch of consoles, but at some points, stops for a bit and then prints: console.i386: connect(): 52044@192.168.9.2: Connection timed out and then prints out the rest of the consoles. 192.168.9.2 is our master conserver server. If 52044 is a process id, there is no such process on that host. I realize I could probably restart the master processes, but that would probably result in a fair number of upset users, so just trying to figure out what this error is, how to fix it, and how to avoid having it happen again. Thanks. From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Fri Jan 5 12:10:40 2007 Received: from www.linuxiceberg.com (66-23-224-81.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.224.81]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l05KAYbi013206 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (shuttle.linxdev.com [192.168.1.115]) by www.linuxiceberg.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l05K8ao02345; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:08:36 -0500 Subject: Re: consolue -u stops, gets Connection timed out From: Christopher Fowler To: Mark Wedel In-Reply-To: <459EAC65.8000703@Sun.Com> References: <459EAC65.8000703@Sun.Com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:08:02 -0500 Message-Id: <1168027682.18280.101.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.312 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:10:41 -0000 It seems to me that the server the client is connecting do is not accept ()'ing the connection. My guess is that for some reason it is too busy or blocking somewhere. On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 11:52 -0800, Mark Wedel wrote: > I'm running a fairly large installation with conserver (1100+ console). > > Doing a console -u will print out a bunch of consoles, but at some points, > stops for a bit and then prints: > > console.i386: connect(): 52044@192.168.9.2: Connection timed out > > and then prints out the rest of the consoles. > > 192.168.9.2 is our master conserver server. If 52044 is a process id, there > is no such process on that host. > > I realize I could probably restart the master processes, but that would > probably result in a fair number of upset users, so just trying to figure out > what this error is, how to fix it, and how to avoid having it happen again. > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users From bryan@stansell.org Fri Jan 5 12:56:57 2007 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l05Kuuvm013848 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:56:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l05KuuOK013847 for users@conserver.com; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:56:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:56:56 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: consolue -u stops, gets Connection timed out Message-ID: <20070105205656.GK29702@underdog.stansell.org> References: <459EAC65.8000703@Sun.Com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <459EAC65.8000703@Sun.Com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:56:58 -0000 On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 11:52:05AM -0800, Mark Wedel wrote: > Doing a console -u will print out a bunch of consoles, but at some points, > stops for a bit and then prints: > > console.i386: connect(): 52044@192.168.9.2: Connection timed out > > and then prints out the rest of the consoles. > > 192.168.9.2 is our master conserver server. If 52044 is a process id, there > is no such process on that host. 52044 is the port number that the master processes expected a sub-process to be listening on (one that actually handles console connections). for whatever reason, that sub-process is either not picking up the connection or the master process hasn't realized something was wrong and taken it out of the list of sub-processes (many possibilities here - bug dealing with SIGHUP, bug dealing with reaping children, etc). if any of the conserver processes is still lingering in a bad state (say, you find the one that has that socket open but it's wedged or looping), killing it off should clear things up (the master would reap it, clean up it's list, respawn another, etc). it would be interesting to know if any consoles are missing from the -u output...it could help narrow the possibilities of how it get into the broken state. > I realize I could probably restart the master processes, but that would > probably result in a fair number of upset users, so just trying to figure out > what this error is, how to fix it, and how to avoid having it happen again. that would certainly clean things up. if you can't find a process to kill off, then the server probably got into a broken state because of a bug and there's really no other choice than this. out of curiosity, is this 8.1.14 or 8.1.15? Bryan From Mark.Wedel@Sun.Com Fri Jan 5 14:24:30 2007 Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l05MOOOA015377; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from sfbaymail2sca.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.42]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l05MONUr020020; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:24:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from domus.sfbay.sun.com (domus.SFBay.Sun.COM [10.6.64.11]) by sfbaymail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l05MONem019779; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:24:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.146.108.170] (sleipner.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.170]) by domus.sfbay.sun.com (Trusted Solaris (8.11.7)/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l05MOMP20939; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:24:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <459ECFBB.6060908@Sun.Com> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:22:51 -0800 From: Mark Wedel User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061127) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Stansell Subject: Re: consolue -u stops, gets Connection timed out References: <459EAC65.8000703@Sun.Com> <20070105205656.GK29702@underdog.stansell.org> In-Reply-To: <20070105205656.GK29702@underdog.stansell.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.312 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 22:24:31 -0000 Bryan Stansell wrote: > 52044 is the port number that the master processes expected a > sub-process to be listening on (one that actually handles console > connections). for whatever reason, that sub-process is either not > picking up the connection or the master process hasn't realized > something was wrong and taken it out of the list of sub-processes (many > possibilities here - bug dealing with SIGHUP, bug dealing with reaping > children, etc). if any of the conserver processes is still lingering in > a bad state (say, you find the one that has that socket open but it's > wedged or looping), killing it off should clear things up (the master > would reap it, clean up it's list, respawn another, etc). it would be > interesting to know if any consoles are missing from the -u output...it > could help narrow the possibilities of how it get into the broken state. Ok - found some more details. Found the process that is responsible for that port: 8211: conserver -d ff21fe5c write (21, 10c428, 200) 00030220 FileWrite (11d688, 3a400, 10c428, 400, 1, 0) + 2e0 0001ee74 FlushConsole (c7c80, ffbffbf8, ffbffb78, ffffffff, ffbffbf8, 0) + 728 0001fee0 Kiddie (b0e08, 4cde8, 4c354, 4c2d4, 3, 4cc00) + dec 00020660 Spawn (11d4d0, ffffffff, 11d4d0, cb37, 0, 4d90d) + 3e4 00022d94 main (4b400, ffbffdec, ffbffdf8, 4ce04, 0, 0) + db8 000152e4 _start (0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0) + 5c # ksh -o vi # truss -f -p 8211 8211: write(33, 0x0010C428, 512) (sleeping...) 8211: Received signal #1, SIGHUP, in write() [caught] 8211: write(33, "1B [ 2 5 ; 7 5 H1B [ 2 5".., 512) Err#4 EINTR 8211: setcontext(0xFFBFF768) 8211: write(33, 0x0010C428, 512) (sleeping...) ... Have the sighup most likely because I have an automatic script that generates the conserver console database (pulling the information from another database). FD 33: conserver 8211 root 33u VCHR 23,159 0t27975504 641133 /devices/pseudo/clone@0:ptmx->ptm I am running 8.1.14, on sparc solaris 9 I can see which consoles are being served by that process, and console -u on them also times out. I'm presuming they are all missing from the console -u (no console specified) option. It sounds like just killing 8211 should fix the problem (the master process will see it died and restart at anew). I don't know if this is a problem you want further debugging data from or not. From bryan@stansell.org Fri Jan 5 14:41:59 2007 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l05MfxId015817 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:41:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l05Mfx8g015816 for users@conserver.com; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:41:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:41:59 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: consolue -u stops, gets Connection timed out Message-ID: <20070105224159.GM29702@underdog.stansell.org> References: <459EAC65.8000703@Sun.Com> <20070105205656.GK29702@underdog.stansell.org> <459ECFBB.6060908@Sun.Com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <459ECFBB.6060908@Sun.Com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 22:42:00 -0000 On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 02:22:51PM -0800, Mark Wedel wrote: > It sounds like just killing 8211 should fix the problem (the master > process will see it died and restart at anew). I don't know if this is a > problem you want further debugging data from or not. yep, that should fix it. from the output it looks like the console on fd 33 is defined to be a program of some sort (since it's talking to a pseudo-tty). looks like that code doesn't set O_NONBLOCK on the fd, where sockets, etc would. could be an oversite - i thought i had added O_NONBLOCK to everything a while back. anyway, that's probably the issue...as the FileWrite() code is supposed to hide/deal with that. if my assumption about the console type is wrong, please let me know. otherwise, i believe that's the issue. now, why the console is not accepting the data from the write() call, that's intresting in itself (and finding the right program connected to that pseudo-tty and killing it is probably a more graceful way than killing that conserver sub-process). conserver should gracefully handle that situation, that's for sure...but there could be another issue lurking around that you might want to investigate. Bryan From Mark.Wedel@Sun.Com Fri Jan 5 15:00:06 2007 Received: from nwkea-mail-5.sun.com (nwkea-mail-5.sun.com [192.18.42.27]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l05N00n4016112; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.154.35]) by nwkea-mail-5.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l05MxufM016207; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:59:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from domus.sfbay.sun.com (domus.SFBay.Sun.COM [10.6.64.11]) by sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l05Mxu4Z025680; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:59:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.146.108.170] (sleipner.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.170]) by domus.sfbay.sun.com (Trusted Solaris (8.11.7)/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l05MxtP21250; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:59:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <459ED811.2060202@Sun.Com> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:58:25 -0800 From: Mark Wedel User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061127) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Stansell Subject: Re: consolue -u stops, gets Connection timed out References: <459EAC65.8000703@Sun.Com> <20070105205656.GK29702@underdog.stansell.org> <459ECFBB.6060908@Sun.Com> <20070105224159.GM29702@underdog.stansell.org> In-Reply-To: <20070105224159.GM29702@underdog.stansell.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.312 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:00:07 -0000 Bryan Stansell wrote: > On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 02:22:51PM -0800, Mark Wedel wrote: >> It sounds like just killing 8211 should fix the problem (the master >> process will see it died and restart at anew). I don't know if this is a >> problem you want further debugging data from or not. > > yep, that should fix it. from the output it looks like the console on > fd 33 is defined to be a program of some sort (since it's talking to a > pseudo-tty). looks like that code doesn't set O_NONBLOCK on the fd, > where sockets, etc would. could be an oversite - i thought i had added > O_NONBLOCK to everything a while back. anyway, that's probably the > issue...as the FileWrite() code is supposed to hide/deal with that. That makes sense. For a lot of our consoles, we use various scripts that log into different types of service processors and then get the console. I could certainly believe that some of those connections could go away, SP get hung, etc. ptree shows: # ptree 8211 7712 conserver -d 8211 conserver -d 8227 8221 /bin/sh -ce ssh -l admin stingtest-sp.sfbay 8222 ssh -l admin stingtest-sp.sfbay 4575 /bin/sh -ce ssh -l admin blower-sp 4577 ssh -l admin blower-sp I'm tending to guess that it may be process 8227 that is causing problems, as the two other ones look just fine, but not sure. In any case, killing off 8211 fixed the problem - Thanks! From nstraz@redhat.com Fri Jan 5 15:22:31 2007 Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l05NMOjD016365 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:22:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l05NMO5u030815 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:22:24 -0500 Received: from tin.msp.redhat.com (tin.msp.redhat.com [10.15.80.50]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l05NMMr6006671 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:22:23 -0500 Received: by tin.msp.redhat.com (Postfix, from userid 10119) id 9DC631CBD27; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:22:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:22:21 -0600 To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: consolue -u stops, gets Connection timed out Message-ID: <20070105232219.GF1317@redhat.com> References: <459EAC65.8000703@Sun.Com> <20070105205656.GK29702@underdog.stansell.org> <459ECFBB.6060908@Sun.Com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <459ECFBB.6060908@Sun.Com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-12-11) From: nstraz@redhat.com (Nathan Straz) X-Spam-Score: -0.185 () BAYES_40 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:22:32 -0000 On Jan 5 14:22, Mark Wedel wrote: > # truss -f -p 8211 > 8211: write(33, 0x0010C428, 512) (sleeping...) > 8211: Received signal #1, SIGHUP, in write() [caught] > 8211: write(33, "1B [ 2 5 ; 7 5 H1B [ 2 5".., 512) Err#4 EINTR > 8211: setcontext(0xFFBFF768) > 8211: write(33, 0x0010C428, 512) (sleeping...) > ... I see something like this on my Linux server running conserver (8.1.14) every now and again. I think I narrowed it down to when a conserver client is connected over a VPN connection and the VPN goes away. It usually shows up as a write back to the conserver client is stuck. Sometimes I can ping the dead client's address and the conserver process will free up and continue. Nate From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Fri Jan 5 16:54:19 2007 Received: from www.linuxiceberg.com (66-23-224-81.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.224.81]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l060sDev017434 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (shuttle.linxdev.com [192.168.1.115]) by www.linuxiceberg.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l060sjo02378; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 19:54:45 -0500 Subject: Re: consolue -u stops, gets Connection timed out From: Christopher Fowler To: Nathan Straz In-Reply-To: <20070105232219.GF1317@redhat.com> References: <459EAC65.8000703@Sun.Com> <20070105205656.GK29702@underdog.stansell.org> <459ECFBB.6060908@Sun.Com> <20070105232219.GF1317@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:54:10 -0500 Message-Id: <1168044850.18280.123.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.11 () BAYES_05 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 00:54:20 -0000 On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 17:22 -0600, Nathan Straz wrote: > I see something like this on my Linux server running conserver > (8.1.14) > every now and again. I think I narrowed it down to when a conserver > client is connected over a VPN connection and the VPN goes away. It > usually shows up as a write back to the conserver client is stuck. > Sometimes I can ping the dead client's address and the conserver > process > will free up and continue. > One thing I've done and you can debate about the drawbacks is adjust my keep alive times in the Linux kernel so that the "client" will drop within a few minutes of a downed connection. When I say "client" I'm referring to my Console.pm perl module that is used by applications to connect to remote consoles. I don't use the official client that often :). Since the client can wait on read() until the keep alive passes much like telnet adjusting those values allows it to notice a bad VPN connection and attempt to reopen. The VPNs _do_ go down and I need the client to see this fast and do a new connect. From Andreas.Nagy@frequentis.com Thu Jan 11 03:44:23 2007 Received: from webmail.frequentis.com (webmail.frequentis.com [213.47.210.151]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0BBiGNU012620 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 03:44:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from VIECLEX01.frequentis.frq ([172.16.1.56]) by webmail.frequentis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:35:35 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7356C.3A6E5626" Subject: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:35:37 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Thread-Index: Acc1bDtLBpUu7ev1RFi7k8lbrcY04w== From: "Nagy Andreas" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2007 10:35:35.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A53F7B0:01C7356C] X-Spam-Score: 0.002 () BAYES_50,HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:44:24 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7356C.3A6E5626 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm new to conserver and actually have a little problem with the escape-sequence! I changed the escape-sequence while I was connected to a console via = telnet, with the comman ^Ece to something I can't remember! So how can I restore the default escape-sequence on the telnet = conections to the consoles? Directly on the console client ^Ec is working, but if I'm connected via Telnet nothing happens if I send ^Ec. Please help me! Best Thx Andi ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7356C.3A6E5626 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Escape-sequence on telnet connecton

Hi,

I'm new to = conserver and actually have a little problem with the = escape-sequence!

I changed the = escape-sequence while I was connected to a console via telnet, with the = comman ^Ece to something I can't remember!

So how can I = restore the default escape-sequence on the telnet conections to the = consoles?

Directly on the = console client ^Ec is working, but if I'm connected via Telnet nothing = happens if I send ^Ec.

Please help = me!

Best = Thx
Andi

------_=_NextPart_001_01C7356C.3A6E5626-- From Andreas.Nagy@frequentis.com Thu Jan 11 04:24:49 2007 Received: from webmail.frequentis.com (webmail.frequentis.com [213.47.210.151]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0BCOQDU013207 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 04:24:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from VIECLEX01.frequentis.frq ([172.16.1.56]) by webmail.frequentis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:39:38 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C73575.2CC2C76E" Subject: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:39:37 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Thread-Index: Acc1bDtLBpUu7ev1RFi7k8lbrcY04wACOQCg From: "Nagy Andreas" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2007 11:39:38.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[2CCA9C30:01C73575] X-Spam-Score: 0.002 () BAYES_50,HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:24:51 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C73575.2CC2C76E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Hi, >=20 > I'm new to conserver and actually have a little problem with the > escape-sequence! >=20 > I changed the escape-sequence while I was connected to a console via > telnet, with the comman ^Ece to something I can't remember! > So how can I restore the default escape-sequence on the telnet = conections > to the consoles? >=20 > Directly on the console client ^Ec is working, but if I'm connected = via > Telnet nothing happens if I send ^Ec. >=20 > Please help me! >=20 > Best Thx > Andi ------_=_NextPart_001_01C73575.2CC2C76E Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Escape-sequence on telnet connecton

Hi,

I'm new to = conserver and actually have a little problem with the = escape-sequence!

I changed the = escape-sequence while I was connected to a console via telnet, with the = comman ^Ece to something I can't remember!

So how can I = restore the default escape-sequence on the telnet conections to the = consoles?

Directly on the = console client ^Ec is working, but if I'm connected via Telnet nothing = happens if I send ^Ec.

Please help = me!

Best = Thx
Andi

------_=_NextPart_001_01C73575.2CC2C76E-- From Andreas.Nagy@frequentis.com Wed Jan 17 00:30:21 2007 Received: from webmail.frequentis.com (webmail.frequentis.com [213.47.210.151]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0H8UD9v026744 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from VIECLEX01.frequentis.frq ([172.16.1.55]) by webmail.frequentis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:30:07 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C73A11.B1CDF124" Subject: FW: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:30:08 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Thread-Index: Acc1bDtLBpUu7ev1RFi7k8lbrcY04wEpMOsg From: "Nagy Andreas" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2007 08:30:07.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1CE70A0:01C73A11] X-Spam-Score: -0.595 () BAYES_20,HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:30:22 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C73A11.B1CDF124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 I'm again! Can nobody help me with my problem?! =20 I have already tried to reinstall the pkg, but ^Ec is still not working = on Telnet! (running conserver-con installed via pkg_add on FreeBSD 6.1) =20 PS: sorry for begging! :-) =20 Thx Andi ________________________________ From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com] = On Behalf Of Nagy Andreas Sent: Donnerstag, 11. J=E4nner 2007 11:36 To: users@conserver.com Subject: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Hi,=20 I'm new to conserver and actually have a little problem with the escape-sequence!=20 I changed the escape-sequence while I was connected to a console via = telnet, with the comman ^Ece to something I can't remember! So how can I restore the default escape-sequence on the telnet = conections to the consoles?=20 Directly on the console client ^Ec is working, but if I'm connected via Telnet nothing happens if I send ^Ec.=20 Please help me!=20 Best Thx=20 Andi=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C73A11.B1CDF124 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Escape-sequence on telnet connecton
Hi,
 
I'm again!
Can nobody help me with my=20 problem?!
 
I have already tried to reinstall the pkg, = but ^Ec is=20 still not working on Telnet! (running conserver-con installed via = pkg_add on=20 FreeBSD 6.1)
 
PS: sorry for begging! = :-)
 
Thx
Andi

From: users-bounces@conserver.com=20 [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com] On Behalf Of Nagy=20 Andreas
Sent: Donnerstag, 11. J=E4nner 2007 = 11:36
To:=20 users@conserver.com
Subject: Escape-sequence on telnet=20 connecton

Hi,

I'm new to conserver = and actually=20 have a little problem with the escape-sequence!

I changed the = escape-sequence while=20 I was connected to a console via telnet, with the comman ^Ece to = something I=20 can't remember!

So how can I restore = the default=20 escape-sequence on the telnet conections to the consoles? =

Directly on the = console client ^Ec=20 is working, but if I'm connected via Telnet nothing happens if I send=20 ^Ec.

Please help = me!

Best Thx =
Andi=20

------_=_NextPart_001_01C73A11.B1CDF124-- From bryan@stansell.org Wed Jan 17 11:42:42 2007 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0HJgg4O004359 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l0HJggOx004358 for users@conserver.com; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:42:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:42:42 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Message-ID: <20070117194242.GF29702@underdog.stansell.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:42:43 -0000 On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 09:30:08AM +0100, Nagy Andreas wrote: > I have already tried to reinstall the pkg, but ^Ec is still not working on > Telnet! (running conserver-con installed via pkg_add on FreeBSD 6.1) > Sent: Donnerstag, 11. Jänner 2007 11:36 > > I changed the escape-sequence while I was connected to a console via telnet, > with the comman ^Ece to something I can't remember! > > So how can I restore the default escape-sequence on the telnet conections to > the consoles? the escape sequence is not permanent as it's a per-client option. as soon as you disconnect and/or reconnect, you'll have the default ^Ec sequence. it sounds like you've got telnet in line mode instead of character mode (well, it's a guess). my telnet client has a 'mode character' command to enable that. hopefully that's the problem. just to reiterate to everyone again - it's my opinion using telnet to interact with conserver is a "last resort" method. a simple script in your favorite interpretive language that really deals with the basics of the protocol would much better. and, of course, using the console client is the best. i know folks have reasons for doing it, and that's fine, but please be aware of the dangers. no where does anything mention compatibility with telnet (just some similarity). but, like many tcp-based protocols, it kinda works. Bryan From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Wed Jan 17 11:53:34 2007 Received: from www.linuxiceberg.com (66-23-224-81.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.224.81]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0HJrSEW004493; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:53:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (shuttle.linxdev.com [192.168.1.115]) by www.linuxiceberg.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l0HJsKo03940; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:54:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton From: Christopher Fowler To: Bryan Stansell In-Reply-To: <20070117194242.GF29702@underdog.stansell.org> References: <20070117194242.GF29702@underdog.stansell.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:53:20 -0500 Message-Id: <1169063600.31052.137.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.312 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:53:35 -0000 On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 11:42 -0800, Bryan Stansell wrote: > the escape sequence is not permanent as it's a per-client option. as > soon as you disconnect and/or reconnect, you'll have the default ^Ec > sequence. it sounds like you've got telnet in line mode instead of > character mode (well, it's a guess). my telnet client has a 'mode > character' command to enable that. hopefully that's the problem. By default telnet client will be in line mode. The telnet server sends an option to turn that off. Conserver does not speak the telnet protocol so it will do nothing in regards to configuring the client. From Andreas.Nagy@frequentis.com Thu Jan 18 01:02:26 2007 Received: from webmail.frequentis.com (webmail.frequentis.com [213.47.210.151]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0I92IBR014749 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:02:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from VIECLEX01.frequentis.frq ([172.16.1.55]) by webmail.frequentis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:02:08 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:02:06 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1169063600.31052.137.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Thread-Index: Acc6cc3VlR26NgZ2RBuRq6nzW/xe1gAa5yPQ From: "Nagy Andreas" To: "Christopher Fowler" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2007 09:02:08.0102 (UTC) FILETIME=[54F83860:01C73ADF] X-Spam-Score: -2.312 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id l0I92IBR014749 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:02:42 -0000 Best Thx, It worked for me! (Note: if you change the mode while you are connected to Conserver --> it crashes) What would be the easiest way to start conserver automatically and provide the standard telnet port to some Win Clients. So that the clients only have to exec ">>telnet server-ip" then login and call a specific console? Security is not important, I'm only using this for trainings. (many users are watching on the same serial-console (to a router/switch) while one has rw access! Thx again, Andi -----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Fowler Sent: Mittwoch, 17. Jänner 2007 20:53 To: Bryan Stansell Cc: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 11:42 -0800, Bryan Stansell wrote: > the escape sequence is not permanent as it's a per-client option. as > soon as you disconnect and/or reconnect, you'll have the default ^Ec > sequence. it sounds like you've got telnet in line mode instead of > character mode (well, it's a guess). my telnet client has a 'mode > character' command to enable that. hopefully that's the problem. By default telnet client will be in line mode. The telnet server sends an option to turn that off. Conserver does not speak the telnet protocol so it will do nothing in regards to configuring the client. _______________________________________________ users mailing list users@conserver.com https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Thu Jan 18 04:58:17 2007 Received: from www.linuxiceberg.com (66-23-224-81.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.224.81]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0ICwBce018902 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:58:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (shuttle.linxdev.com [192.168.1.115]) by www.linuxiceberg.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l0ICx5o03998; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:59:08 -0500 Subject: RE: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton From: Christopher Fowler To: Nagy Andreas In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:58:00 -0500 Message-Id: <1169125081.26882.2.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.74 () BAYES_20 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:58:22 -0000 On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 10:02 +0100, Nagy Andreas wrote: > What would be the easiest way to start conserver automatically and > provide > the standard telnet port to some Win Clients. > Maybe you could change the port conserver listens on to that of telnet? From bryan@stansell.org Thu Jan 18 07:51:34 2007 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0IFpYth020287 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:51:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l0IFpXLq020286 for users@conserver.com; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:51:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:51:33 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Message-ID: <20070118155133.GI29702@underdog.stansell.org> References: <1169063600.31052.137.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:51:35 -0000 On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 10:02:06AM +0100, Nagy Andreas wrote: > (Note: if you change the mode while you are connected to Conserver --> it > crashes) huh...that's unfortunate. it really should be able to cope with that (ideally), but it's not too surprising wild data on the line would do it. but, i'll look into fixing that. > So that the clients only have to exec ">>telnet server-ip" then login and > call a specific console? why not use the console binary itself? i can build a cygwin version if you like (i'm tempted to always provide it as a download for folks) and all you'd need is the cygwin1.dll file. drop those two in a directory (in your path) on the box and just run 'console foo'... Bryan From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Thu Jan 18 08:01:19 2007 Received: from www.linuxiceberg.com (66-23-224-81.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.224.81]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0IG1Cum020404; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:01:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (shuttle.linxdev.com [192.168.1.115]) by www.linuxiceberg.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l0IG2Do04030; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:02:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton From: Christopher Fowler To: Bryan Stansell In-Reply-To: <20070118155133.GI29702@underdog.stansell.org> References: <1169063600.31052.137.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> <20070118155133.GI29702@underdog.stansell.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:01:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1169136071.26882.21.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.312 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:01:20 -0000 On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 07:51 -0800, Bryan Stansell wrote: > why not use the console binary itself? i can build a cygwin version > if > you like (i'm tempted to always provide it as a download for folks) > and > all you'd need is the cygwin1.dll file. drop those two in a directory > (in your path) on the box and just run 'console foo'... I've also written a Java client that use Swing that is based on 7.X.X. I needs to be updated for the new protocol and the VT100 emulation needs perfection. Not sure if there are any developers other than Bryan and me on this list. From bryan@stansell.org Thu Jan 18 09:01:31 2007 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0IH1UkM020888 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l0IH1U5m020887 for users@conserver.com; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:01:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:01:30 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Subject: simple cygwin console binary available to those that could use it... Message-ID: <20070118170130.GJ29702@underdog.stansell.org> References: <1169063600.31052.137.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> <20070118155133.GI29702@underdog.stansell.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070118155133.GI29702@underdog.stansell.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:01:32 -0000 i've gone ahead and copied a console-8.1.15.exe binary up to http://www.conserver.com/console-8.1.15.exe (also the ftp directory). you'll need to get the cygwin1.dll file from the (currently) release/cygwin/cygwin-1.5.23-2.tar.bz2 file on any of the cygwin.com mirrors (http://www.cygwin.com/mirrors.html). distributing the binary-only form of cygwin1.dll violates the GPL...and i'd rather not get in the business of dealing with cygwin sources, etc. this is how it was built - again, very simple (no ssl, tcp wrappers, etc): $ ./console -V console: conserver.com version 8.1.15 console: default initial master server `console' console: default port referenced as `782' console: default escape sequence `^Ec' console: default site-wide configuration in `/usr/local/etc/console.cf' console: default per-user configuration in `$HOME/.consolerc' console: options: none console: built with `./configure --with-port=782' if it doesn't quite work for you, i suggest either installing the cygwin development bits so you can compile your own and/or putting together the appropriate console.cf file/environment. Bryan From Andreas.Nagy@frequentis.com Thu Jan 18 15:11:10 2007 Received: from webmail.frequentis.com (webmail.frequentis.com [213.47.210.151]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0INB33S023497 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:11:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from VIECLEX01.frequentis.frq ([172.16.1.55]) by webmail.frequentis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:11:01 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C73B55.EBED571C" Subject: Re: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:11:01 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Thread-Index: Acc7GmDZcRgRAECRTNKuVF1mFqk/wgAOYgdB References: <1169063600.31052.137.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com><20070118155133.GI29702@underdog.stansell.org> <1169136071.26882.21.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> From: "Nagy Andreas" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2007 23:11:01.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBE6AA10:01C73B55] X-Spam-Score: 0.279 () BAYES_40,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:11:11 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C73B55.EBED571C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Best Thx for your work, the exe is working perfectly for me! But some users will still connect via telnet. So is it possible to connect directly to a console via telnet (any port) = or do I always have to make connection to "telnet server-ip 782", login, and provide a port via call or groups? Or is it possible to configure wich port is provided, so I can make the = first conection to provide the port via script and have then always the same = port to connect to the console? Greetings, Andi ------_=_NextPart_001_01C73B55.EBED571C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton

Best Thx for your work, the exe is working perfectly = for me!

But some users will still connect via telnet.
So is it possible to connect directly to a console via telnet (any port) = or do I always have to make connection to "telnet server-ip = 782",
login, and provide a port via call or groups?
Or is it possible to configure wich port is provided, so I can make the = first conection to provide the port via script and have then always the = same port to connect to the console?

Greetings,
Andi

------_=_NextPart_001_01C73B55.EBED571C-- From bryan@stansell.org Thu Jan 18 15:56:12 2007 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0INuC4h024020 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:56:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l0INuCmE024019 for users@conserver.com; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:56:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:56:12 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Message-ID: <20070118235612.GK29702@underdog.stansell.org> References: <1169136071.26882.21.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:56:13 -0000 On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 12:11:01AM +0100, Nagy Andreas wrote: > Or is it possible to configure wich port is provided, so I can make the first > conection to provide the port via script and have then always the same port > to connect to the console? if you have a relatively small number of consoles you can use the -m and -b options to make an effort to put consoles on a specific port. conserver -m 32 -p 782 -b 783 you'd have a server that talked on 782 and the first 32 consoles would be on port 783 (assuming nothing else was listening there). in other words, if you did a normal login/call on the port 782 server, it would always tell you to go talk to the server on 783 for the first 32 consoles. hope that helps! Bryan From stoffj@taec.toshiba.com Fri Jan 19 12:46:03 2007 Received: from mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (mailhost.taec.com [209.243.128.33]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0JKjvtv008811 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:46:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/ENiZe5t1EBNwdEDCQf22fzrz5hLS57mQ@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com [209.243.166.44]) by mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id l0JKjlTc024487; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:45:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stoffj@localhost) by sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l0JKjbJA024761; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:45:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17841.11760.752043.998617@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:45:36 -0500 From: "John Stoffel" To: "Nagy Andreas" Subject: Re: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton In-Reply-To: References: <1169063600.31052.137.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> <20070118155133.GI29702@underdog.stansell.org> <1169136071.26882.21.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 X-Spam-Score: -0.74 () BAYES_20 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:46:04 -0000 Nagy> But some users will still connect via telnet. Why? This just boggles my mind. Tell them to use the correct client for the connection, and now you can actually offer it to them. John From david.k.harris@siemens.com Fri Jan 19 13:29:02 2007 Received: from usnwk224srv.usa.siemens.com (usnwksmtp04e.usa.siemens.com [12.46.135.35]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0JLStQu009115 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from usnwk203a.ww017.siemens.net ([155.45.111.48]) by usnwk224srv.usa.siemens.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:27:50 -0800 Received: from USNWK102MSX.ww017.siemens.net ([155.45.111.56]) by usnwk203a.ww017.siemens.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:27:51 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:27:45 -0800 Message-ID: <2461A50AD2345646B1C4B3D7BA40B8E20193DE4E@USNWK102MSX.ww017.siemens.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Thread-Index: Acc8C+v+9khjVimsREmy4n1GoTJ6aQAAzwjw From: "Harris, David \(SBS US\)" To: "Nagy Andreas" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2007 21:27:51.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC571540:01C73C10] X-Spam-Score: -2.312 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id l0JLStQu009115 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:29:03 -0000 I think, to make the point a bit more persuasive, you could point out that a direct telnet connection means users give up some of the functionality they would otherwise enjoy, as well as risking unexpected behavior when they are trying to make critical administrative changes to their machines. Since the console servers are the expensive part of the equation, they get the additional benefits (from Conserver) essentially for free. (With only a little extra effort needed on their part to get all those benefits. :-| Partly, this may be a "old dogs, new tricks" problem...that's the way they have always done it. I'm still being asked to make a "menu" wrapper...i.e. type a command, get an enumerated list of available ports, and then the user selects a number, and the console client would be invoked to the indicated port...all because they are used to the ts_menu feature on the deployed Cyclades boxes. (So, a request for a lot of programming work that won't be shared outside the company, to help about 24 folks who might otherwise have to learn a new trick...but, it's just another project on the pile, and it keeps getting put on the back burner by the requester, while folks need to practice using the new way.. ;-) If you need to make a hack, you just need to be sure that it can live and grow with Conserver, without the need for wrenching On the hack with every upgrade of Conserver, or changes to the user base, or the names/numbers of the ports cared for by Conserver. -Z- -----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com] On Behalf Of John Stoffel Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:46 PM To: Nagy Andreas Cc: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Nagy> But some users will still connect via telnet. Why? This just boggles my mind. Tell them to use the correct client for the connection, and now you can actually offer it to them. John _______________________________________________ From arekm@maven.pl Fri Jan 19 18:03:10 2007 Received: from mailmxout.mailmx.agnat.pl (mailmxout.mailmx.agnat.pl [193.239.44.238]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0K232ah011052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:03:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from outgoing1.smtp.agnat.pl ([193.239.44.83]) by mailmxout.mailmx.agnat.pl with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H85ZL-0000X4-Sb for users@conserver.com; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 03:02:59 +0100 Received: from [83.11.92.225] (helo=[192.168.0.67]) by tekla.agnat.pl with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H85ZJ-0007FT-RG for users@conserver.com; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 03:02:58 +0100 From: Arkadiusz Miskiewicz Organization: SelfOrganizing To: users@conserver.com Subject: conserver and terminals User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 03:02:56 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Message-Id: <200701200302.56797.arekm@maven.pl> X-Authenticated-Id: arekm X-Spam-Score: -1.11 () BAYES_05 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id l0K232ah011052 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 02:03:11 -0000 Hello, I have a setup where conserver runs on a machine with xoxa 8 x serial card. Moxa serial ports are connected to linux machines doing serial consoles. There are also other devices like hp procurve switch and fibre channel switch. Now the problem is that fc switch displays CMD> (as seen in minicom) but conserver displays it as: ETUT))q)QUUU)QUQE\EJUU What I'm trying to do is create kind of console server under Linux that would allow easy access to multiple serial consoles and other hardware etc. I was thinking about running some microcom/nanocom serial terminal program directly as user shell so user would need just to ssh serial_console_XY@my.console.server.com to get serial console for his machine. That would be simple, secure and I would get good terminal emulation. First I want to give conserver a chance because it has nice features like logging etc. Unfortunately I don't see how to get nice terminal emulation in conserver? -- Arkadiusz Mi¶kiewicz PLD/Linux Team arekm / maven.pl http://ftp.pld-linux.org/ From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Fri Jan 19 19:20:35 2007 Received: from www.linuxiceberg.com (66-23-224-81.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.224.81]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0K3KSN0011542 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (shuttle.linxdev.com [192.168.1.115]) by www.linuxiceberg.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l0K3LHo04625; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:21:18 -0500 Subject: Re: conserver and terminals From: Christopher Fowler To: Arkadiusz Miskiewicz In-Reply-To: <200701200302.56797.arekm@maven.pl> References: <200701200302.56797.arekm@maven.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:20:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1169263212.26882.87.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.185 () BAYES_40 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 03:20:36 -0000 On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 03:02 +0100, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote: > ETUT))q)QUUU)QUQE\EJUU > When I see "garbage" the first thing I think is that your device is talking one speed and conserver another. From arekm@maven.pl Sat Jan 20 05:56:24 2007 Received: from mailmxout.mailmx.agnat.pl (mailmxout.mailmx.agnat.pl [193.239.44.238]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0KDuCtq022327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 05:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from outgoing1.smtp.agnat.pl ([193.239.44.83]) by mailmxout.mailmx.agnat.pl with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H8GhR-000691-Fy for users@conserver.com; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:56:05 +0100 Received: from [83.11.92.225] (helo=[192.168.0.67]) by tekla.agnat.pl with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H8GhF-0006Hp-4F for users@conserver.com; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:55:53 +0100 From: Arkadiusz Miskiewicz Organization: SelfOrganizing To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: conserver and terminals Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:55:46 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <200701200302.56797.arekm@maven.pl> <1169263212.26882.87.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> In-Reply-To: <1169263212.26882.87.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200701201455.46298.arekm@maven.pl> X-Authenticated-Id: arekm X-Spam-Score: -0.74 () BAYES_20 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id l0KDuCtq022327 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:56:25 -0000 On sobota, 20 stycznia 2007, Christopher Fowler wrote: > On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 03:02 +0100, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote: > > ETUT))q)QUUU)QUQE\EJUU > > When I see "garbage" the first thing I think is that your device is > talking one speed and conserver another. Under minicom - 9600, 38400 - no response from device, 19200 - communication with device works correctly. Conserver *was* set to use 19200: fc on /dev/ttyM0@localhost at 19200n The interesting thing is that minicom doesn't show device as being Online even if communication works. I was also trying to get access to device using other terminal programs like microcom and nanocom but failed. Any ideas what minicom could be doing that makes things work? -- Arkadiusz Mi¶kiewicz PLD/Linux Team arekm / maven.pl http://ftp.pld-linux.org/ From Andreas.Nagy@frequentis.com Mon Jan 22 01:18:00 2007 Received: from webmail.frequentis.com (webmail.frequentis.com [213.47.210.151]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0M9Hqbm023219 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from VIECLEX01.frequentis.frq ([172.16.1.55]) by webmail.frequentis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:17:41 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:17:43 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2461A50AD2345646B1C4B3D7BA40B8E20193DE4E@USNWK102MSX.ww017.siemens.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Thread-Index: Acc8C+v+9khjVimsREmy4n1GoTJ6aQAAzwjwAH14aCA= From: "Nagy Andreas" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2007 09:17:41.0728 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B1B3E00:01C73E06] X-Spam-Score: -2.312 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id l0M9Hqbm023219 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:18:01 -0000 Thx for your help! Now everything works fine (the Win Client and the Telnet connection)! The telnet function is only to connect from every client, also when ther is actually no client aplicatin aviable. On the telnet connection I can not switch to another console (^Ec;), always getting the connected message. But, this shouldn't be a problem (for me) at this time! Best Thx for your great work! Andi -----Original Message----- From: Harris, David (SBS US) [mailto:david.k.harris@siemens.com] Sent: Freitag, 19. Jänner 2007 22:28 To: Nagy Andreas Cc: users@conserver.com Subject: RE: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton I think, to make the point a bit more persuasive, you could point out that a direct telnet connection means users give up some of the functionality they would otherwise enjoy, as well as risking unexpected behavior when they are trying to make critical administrative changes to their machines. Since the console servers are the expensive part of the equation, they get the additional benefits (from Conserver) essentially for free. (With only a little extra effort needed on their part to get all those benefits. :-| Partly, this may be a "old dogs, new tricks" problem...that's the way they have always done it. I'm still being asked to make a "menu" wrapper...i.e. type a command, get an enumerated list of available ports, and then the user selects a number, and the console client would be invoked to the indicated port...all because they are used to the ts_menu feature on the deployed Cyclades boxes. (So, a request for a lot of programming work that won't be shared outside the company, to help about 24 folks who might otherwise have to learn a new trick...but, it's just another project on the pile, and it keeps getting put on the back burner by the requester, while folks need to practice using the new way.. ;-) If you need to make a hack, you just need to be sure that it can live and grow with Conserver, without the need for wrenching On the hack with every upgrade of Conserver, or changes to the user base, or the names/numbers of the ports cared for by Conserver. -Z- -----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com] On Behalf Of John Stoffel Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:46 PM To: Nagy Andreas Cc: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Nagy> But some users will still connect via telnet. Why? This just boggles my mind. Tell them to use the correct client for the connection, and now you can actually offer it to them. John _______________________________________________ From bryan@stansell.org Mon Jan 22 13:20:52 2007 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0MLKqen001263 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:20:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l0MLKq19001262 for users@conserver.com; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:20:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:20:52 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Escape-sequence on telnet connecton Message-ID: <20070122212052.GA16911@underdog.stansell.org> References: <2461A50AD2345646B1C4B3D7BA40B8E20193DE4E@USNWK102MSX.ww017.siemens.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.182.219.30 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:20:53 -0000 On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 10:17:43AM +0100, Nagy Andreas wrote: > On the telnet connection I can not switch to another console (^Ec;), always > getting the connected message. > But, this shouldn't be a problem (for me) at this time! switching consoles really just causes the client to disconnect from the current console and connect to a new one. so, it's just like shutting down telnet and starting up a new one. and it's just one example of how the client/server protocol doesn't "work" with telnet (another is '^Ec|'...you'd really get in a weird state with that one). Bryn