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RE: UserMode Linux and Conserver (URL)

Zonker Harris Zonker.Harris@bigbandnet.com
Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:39:35 -0800 (PST)

  Nice write-up Adam. Mind if I point to this from my pages?


-----Original Message-----
From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com]On
Behalf Of Adams, Russell L.
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:08 PM
To: users@conserver.com
Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees?

Talk about a useful tool for servers, its also quite useful for
virtual servers! I use conserver for console access to a slew of
UML's. =]



On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 02:38:25PM -0800, Zonker Harris wrote:
>   Wow! And Phil's been on the list a few years! :-)
>   When I started planning my first presentation for
> LISA 2000, Conserver was 10 years old, and still a
> 'best kept secret'. I was asking some admins why
> Conserver was such a useful tool for them (how did
> they find it invaluable). Many replied "How else
> would you do it?" They had started out in shops
> where Conserver was already deployed, and never
> learned about crash carts, didn't have to wrestle
> with serial settings, didn't have to walk or drive
> to other sites when they wanted to check...
>   Since USENIX withdrew my class, the material won't
> be in the proceedings, or on the CD-ROM. Therefore, I
> think I'm free to use it in other arenas. I'm not sure
> if I can interest SANS in it, or some other USENIX-like
> entity in another region of the world. If I don't
> find any opportunities that I can take, I'd likely be
> willing to let the folks here get at the PDF file
> sooner than the usual 1-year waiting period I've used.
> (I use the "Notes Pages" format in PowerPoint, to
> include most of the talking points for each slide
> as part of the class handbook. You'd still be missing
> the demos and interactive portions of the class...)
>   I started this thread to reach those that signed up
> for LISA, but I'll probably share it with the group at
> large, given that the discussion is generating attention.
>      -Z- 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Dibowitz [mailto:phil@ticketmaster.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:26 PM
> To: Christopher Fowler
> Cc: Zonker Harris; users@conserver.com
> Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees?
> Christopher Fowler wrote:
> > Thats because we are a dying bread.  Every young whipper snapper thinks
> > that ssh or telnet is good enough.  They don't realize that problems can
> > occur before the tcp/ip stack is operational.  They also don't realize
> > how much it sucks to drive into downtown Atlanta at 4pm on a Friday to
> > attach to the serial console of a Cisco switch because it has issues.
> > Parking sucks too.  I made that trip once and that was it!
> Hey - I beg to differ - age has nothing to do with it. I setup remote
> console servers at a company where the machine room was next door to my
> office using conserver+cycaldes. I'm 23.
> One of the first thing I do at every company I've been at is setup
> console servers. Everything should be able to be done remotely and
> reliably. When I get called at 4am I don't want to have to drive
> anywhere - that's a pain for me, and more downtime for the company.
> Age has nothing to do with it. If you don't understand how and when
> technology can fail, you're a poor and/or inexperienced admin. Short and
> simple. I've seen plenty of 50 year olds make that mistake.
> -- 
> Phil Dibowitz
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