From lorne_vaught@symantec.com Thu Nov 3 10:26:43 2005 Received: from gold.veritas.com (gold.veritas.com [143.127.12.110]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA3IQZJZ001951 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from sxchcon1-int.veritas.com (HELO SVLXCHCON1.enterprise.veritas.com) (10.137.18.171) by gold.veritas.com with ESMTP; 03 Nov 2005 10:26:30 -0800 Received: from megami.veritas.com ([10.137.16.7]) by SVLXCHCON1.enterprise.veritas.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:26:30 -0800 Received: (1526 bytes) by megami.veritas.com via sendmail with P:smtp/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:26:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #15 built 2001-Aug-30) Message-Id: To: users@conserver.com Subject: lag with version 8.1.12 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:26:30 -0800 From: lorne vaught X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2005 18:26:30.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C81BC90:01C5E0A4] X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:26:43 -0000 I'm installing a new conserver using version 8.1.12 on Solaris2.9 using Perle CS9032's for terminal servers. I modified the basic example of the conserver.cf file from the distribution to make a VERY simplified conserver implementation. Before I start conserver, I can telnet directly to the terminal ports and it connects to the system consoles and everything is good. However, once I start conserver and console to the same system console, the connection lags horribly. It takes 5-10 seconds to echo keystrokes. I tried a couple different versions of conserver 8 (8.1.10, 8.0.3, etc.), and they all experience the same lag. When conserver is running and the ports are lagging, the perle CS9032 lags as well. I've never seen this issue with perle products in the past, but I haven't used v8 conserver before. So, I tried conserver 7.2.7 with the appropriate .cf file and it works fine with no lag. The conserver log file doesn't report any errors during startup or connections. Was there a major change between 7.2.7 and version 8 that would cause this difference in response? Is there an option I should configure that will address this issue? Anyone using a similar configuration of OS, terminal server, version? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Lorne From bryan@stansell.org Thu Nov 3 13:24:23 2005 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA3LOMLH003217 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:24:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jA3LOM3I003216 for users@conserver.com; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:24:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:24:22 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: lag with version 8.1.12 Message-ID: <20051103212422.GV9517@underdog.stansell.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:24:23 -0000 On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 10:26:30AM -0800, lorne vaught wrote: > Was there a major change between 7.2.7 and version 8 that would cause this > difference in response? Is there an option I should configure that will address > this issue? Anyone using a similar configuration of OS, terminal server, version? wow...interesting! there were so many changes, i'm not sure what would be going on. but, i am curious what telnet options might be negotiated...this might (maybe?) be triggering something bad. the easiest would be to have conserver only connect a single port and run with -DDD. then use the client, connect, type a few things, and shut it all down. if you could send that info, perhaps something will look suspicious. if the 'got telnet' and 'sent telnet' debug lines don't show me much, perhaps the other will. and what happens if you have conserver connected to one port and you telnet to another? does that second port respond slowly? if so, we must be making the term server go ballistic. if not, then it's undoubtedly all inside conserver (assuming that one console is still showing lags). there's my 2 cents on where we should start. Bryan From bryan@stansell.org Thu Nov 3 13:31:34 2005 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA3LVYS9003306 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:31:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jA3LVYcx003305 for users@conserver.com; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:31:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:31:34 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: lag with version 8.1.12 Message-ID: <20051103213134.GW9517@underdog.stansell.org> References: <20051103212422.GV9517@underdog.stansell.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051103212422.GV9517@underdog.stansell.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:31:35 -0000 oh, and one way to test if the telnet options are causing issues, you can use 'protocol raw;' to tell conserver to just send bytes...no option negotiations. that might be an interesting test. Bryan From bryan@stansell.org Mon Nov 7 14:06:30 2005 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA7M6UjE028021 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:06:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jA7M6U5M028020 for users@conserver.com; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:06:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:06:30 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: lag with version 8.1.12 Message-ID: <20051107220630.GK10562@underdog.stansell.org> References: <20051103212422.GV9517@underdog.stansell.org> <20051104010254.GY9517@underdog.stansell.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051104010254.GY9517@underdog.stansell.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:06:31 -0000 lorne and i have been working offline about this and it looks like the perle term server (CS9032) has a telnet option processing bug. at least, that's what i believe. after looking at the debug output, it's obvious that the "ECHO" and "SGA" options keep getting renegotiated, which is causing the lag. the term server is running 8.3.0G (basically the latest), and perle has been notified (though they haven't confirmed there is a bug or have an eta for a fix - since i don't have a support contract). but it has been sent to their engineering group, at least. if anyone else runs into this, one way to work around the problem is to set the 'protocol raw;' option for the consoles. that will prevent conserver from doing any telnet option negotiation (though you'll end up with those coming out a text, being sent to clients and logged to files...but that's just an annoyance). i'm currently thinking about putting some logic in conserver to determine when it's already "acked" an option and to ignore future ones. this is kind of specified in the telnet rfc (854): b. If a party receives what appears to be a request to enter some mode it is already in, the request should not be acknowledged. This non-response is essential to prevent endless loops in the negotiation. It is required that a response be sent to requests for a change of mode -- even if the mode is not changed. it's kind of ambiguous (does this apply to "DO" requests only or "DO" and "WILL"?). i also think i'll be looking at a good open-source reference implementation, just to see what others do. anyway, a non-response should be ok, i think. and here's the summary of the option negotation, for those who are curious. it doesn't stop at the end...it keeps bouncing between ECHO and SGA. Term Server Conserver ----------- --------- WILL ECHO -> <- DO ECHO WILL SGA -> <- DO SGA DO TERMTYPE -> <- WONT TERMTYPE WILL ECHO -> <- DO ECHO WILL SGA -> <- DO SGA DONT TERMTYPE -> WILL ECHO -> <- DO ECHO WILL SGA -> <- DO SGA WILL ECHO -> <- DO ECHO WILL SGA -> <- DO SGA Bryan From mdaigle@yorku.ca Tue Nov 8 08:16:27 2005 Received: from tweety.ccs.yorku.ca (tweety.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.216]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA8GGHtp014289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ulysses.ops.yorku.ca [130.63.237.152]) by tweety.ccs.yorku.ca (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jA8GGGkq000471 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:16:16 -0500 Message-ID: <4370CF46.7050103@yorku.ca> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 11:16:06 -0500 From: Mike Daigle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: users@conserver.com Subject: Raritan Dominion SX Console servers. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:16:28 -0000 I am looking to buy some new console servers to work with conserver. The most attractive thing I have seen so far is the Raritan Dominion SX. We will get the 48 port model. The reasons I like it are that it has a faster processor than most. Processor speed is 200MHZ to Cyclades 66MHz. This will help with those slow SSH connections. And the price is the lowest I have been quoted on so far. Does anybody hae experience with these devices? I am assuming they will work with conserver - is that a leap of faith or should I test it, or has anybody else tested it? They also advertise that they are Sun BREAK safe. -- Mike Daigle \ | | Network Operations Project Supervisor \| /\ |~ |/ Computing and Network Services | \/ | |\ Room 011 Steacie Science Library UNIVERSITY Email: mdaigle@yorku.ca 4700 Keele St. Toronto Phone: 736-2100 ext.22730 Ontario, Canada M3J 1P3 For thousands of years mankind lived just like the animals; Then something happened that unleashed the power of his imagination; He learned to talk. -- Pink Floyd From nhruby@uga.edu Tue Nov 8 16:41:54 2005 Received: from askew.ucns.uga.edu (askew.ucns.uga.edu [128.192.6.44]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA90fj1Q017535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:41:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from askew.ucns.uga.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by askew.ucns.uga.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jA90fh0K021816; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:41:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (nathan@localhost) by askew.ucns.uga.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id jA90fhAG021812; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:41:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: askew.ucns.uga.edu: nathan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:41:43 -0500 (EST) From: "nathan r. hruby" X-X-Sender: nathan@askew.ucns.uga.edu To: Mike Daigle Subject: Re: Raritan Dominion SX Console servers. In-Reply-To: <4370CF46.7050103@yorku.ca> Message-ID: References: <4370CF46.7050103@yorku.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 00:41:54 -0000 On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, Mike Daigle wrote: > I am looking to buy some new console servers to work with conserver. The > most attractive thing I have seen so far is the Raritan Dominion SX. We > will get the 48 port model. > > The reasons I like it are that it has a faster processor than most. > Processor speed is 200MHZ to Cyclades 66MHz. This will help with those > slow SSH connections. And the price is the lowest I have been quoted on > so far. > > Does anybody hae experience with these devices? I am assuming they will > work with conserver - is that a leap of faith or should I test it, or > has anybody else tested it? > > They also advertise that they are Sun BREAK safe. Heh. Raritan has been calling my boss of late, so I too would be interested in the answers to this :) Thanks! -n -- ------------------------------------------- nathan hruby uga enterprise information technology services production systems support ------------------------------------------- From Zonker.Harris@bigbandnet.com Tue Nov 8 17:28:27 2005 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod8og10.obsmtp.com [64.18.3.228]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jA91SIio017823 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from source ([12.162.23.196]) by exprod8ob10.postini.com ([64.18.7.12]) with SMTP; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:28:14 PST X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Raritan Dominion SX Console servers. Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:28:13 -0800 Message-ID: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35C86@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Raritan Dominion SX Console servers. Thread-Index: AcXkxpRXbIACX0fORPOaIJ6CKiz+xAAAeC/g From: "Zonker Harris" To: X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id jA91SIio017823 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 01:28:27 -0000 I'll throw my two cents into this discussion. I've looked at Raritan from their website and their magazine ads. I tried to get a white paper once, and was grilled by someone from Raritan on the phone before they would send it, asking who I was, how many we wanted, whether I was the final say in the buying decision, etc. (and I never received the white paper, so I must have been too small a fish...I guess I don't buy enough. ;-) I've been testing console servers for serial BREAK problems now for 5+ years. As a general rule, "terminal servers" send BREAK on power off, and most newer "console servers" are safe. (There are some caveats, you can check the BREAK-off test results to see what we tested, and which devices passed or failed, and how we tested them at http://www.conserver.com/consoles/BREAK-off/breakinfo.html The Raritan Dominion has been on my "want to test" list for 2 years now, and I can't get one. Sorry folks. I tried. Bryan Stansell and I have bent the ears of any CS vendors that would listen, about the issues surrounding serial BREAK. We *know* we affected one design in progress, and we believe we have affected two others. Most vendors 'get it' now. :-) I don't know whether you will be able to use the Raritan with conserver. Raritan seems very sensitive/secretive about the product, and I'm guessing that this carries over to how they feel about security. In the case of Lightwave Communications, the engineers felt that it was insecure to allow a remote TCP session to connect to a port without authentication. They wanted users to log in, and use the cyclic buffers on the device to scroll back the logs per port. They were unwilling to even consider making that an option, if their customer might want to 'expose themselves' to that risk. (Their box WAS break safe, but w couldn't use it with Conserver. The senior executives were willing to consider the issue, but the engineers swayed the execs to keep the security tight.) I get a similar feeling from Raritan, on the small number of phone calls I've made, trying to take a look at their product. I love their fun websites. Has anyone on the list got any practical experience with one (or have the docs, to shed light on the reverse-tcp functionality of the product)? I wonder if they'll be in the vendor hall at LISA this year. (http://www.usenix.org/lisa05/promote/) -Z- From bryan@stansell.org Tue Nov 8 22:11:18 2005 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA96BI5Y019549 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:11:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jA96BIMH019548 for users@conserver.com; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:11:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:11:18 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Raritan Dominion SX Console servers. Message-ID: <20051109061118.GN10562@underdog.stansell.org> References: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35C86@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35C86@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 06:11:19 -0000 and here's my 2 cents... after following some links on their support site, i found the docs here: http://www.raritan.com/_downloads/pdfs/products/user_man_dom_sx.pdf after a quick scan through it, it doesn't look like they offer plain old telnet-style access to the ports. they do allow you to ssh into the box and then connect to a console via their cli. they even show: $ SSH -l dominion -t 192.168.51.225 "sconsole -u admin -a pass123 -p 2" as an example of how to connect to port #2 with a username of admin and password of pass123. that's workable (from a conserver perspective), but not ideal. why? because when you do that you are going through what looks like their own console management system. you can be connected read-write or read-only, you have an escape key that takes you to a cli for doing things with the port (like sending a break), etc. just an alternate take on the conserver experience, really. so, you have two layers of console management going on - one on the box, another by conserver. will the two play well together? what's the definition of "well"? ;-) will it be easy to configure the box and have conserver talk to it? perhaps. take out "easy", and yeah, it could work. assuming it can handle 48 full-time ssh connections. could it start getting complicated if someone uses their web interface or another ssh connection to bump you to read-only on the box but conserver still thinks it's read-write? i'd think so. impossible to work with? nah. those are just a few of my random thoughts. can it be made to work? i think so. would other things integrate "easier", yep. remember, the flexibility of conserver makes it able to talk to many things...you'll have to judge for yourself whether or not it *should* talk to a particular thing. (btw, in general the box does seem to have a lot of cool features) Bryan From stoffj@taec.toshiba.com Wed Nov 9 07:47:28 2005 Received: from mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (mailhost.taec.com [209.243.128.33]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA9FlLwg029667 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19IvFoP1X6TydF+Zoym2tGUP5fkTmq3EGM@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com [209.243.166.44]) by mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jA9Fl7jF009929; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:47:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stoffj@localhost) by sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id jA9Fl7C3006945; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:47:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17266.6651.271572.102791@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:47:07 -0500 From: "John Stoffel" To: Mike Daigle Subject: Re: Raritan Dominion SX Console servers. In-Reply-To: <4370CF46.7050103@yorku.ca> References: <4370CF46.7050103@yorku.ca> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:47:29 -0000 Mike> I am looking to buy some new console servers to work with Mike> conserver. The most attractive thing I have seen so far is the Mike> Raritan Dominion SX. We will get the 48 port model. I like the Digi CMxx series of console servers. Simple to use, compact, a sane admin interface, etc. Mike> The reasons I like it are that it has a faster processor than Mike> most. Processor speed is 200MHZ to Cyclades 66MHz. This will Mike> help with those slow SSH connections. And the price is the Mike> lowest I have been quoted on so far. So what are your primary issues? Are you trying to put the console server on your production network and secure them by using SSH to connect from Conserver to the console? Is there an option of setting up a private network which only the console server uses to talk with the console servers? I've got both Digi CM and Avocent CPS16s, and I personally want to chuck the Avocents out, their interface is pretty ugly. I wish I could play with some other boxes... Also, you might just want to poke around on Ebay for Digi and or other vendors boxes for sale cheap. It's not like they have alot of working parts in them which can go wrong... and you might be able to get a good deal that way. John From ernieoporto@gmail.com Wed Nov 9 07:59:10 2005 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.198]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA9Fx3ce029793 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h28so495082wxd for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 07:59:03 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YjRaCZbpcO8QVZShP6var31LJ8U45RO9WKzqRQMtjg/gx8IzvBH1MbeLusTI4rqzSymCwf6/i0VWtGo4HYTYxBelAQmHSNf+ncI5gTQzf3kMItHSvuQeRua9BwEg8RJ3113e3UdO2RI2iydtM2bBMsqB0sRNsiJ2TI91ar8+yg8= Received: by 10.70.44.14 with SMTP id r14mr942046wxr; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 07:59:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.46.19 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:59:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:59:03 -0500 From: Ernie Oporto To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Raritan Dominion SX Console servers. In-Reply-To: <17266.6651.271572.102791@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26438_31857200.1131551943028" References: <4370CF46.7050103@yorku.ca> <17266.6651.271572.102791@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> X-Spam-Score: -3.629 () BAYES_00,HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: Mike Daigle X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:59:11 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------=_Part_26438_31857200.1131551943028 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline We have an number of the Digi CMXX boxes. They are very nice with the ability to ssh to port 7000 to see a list of the available ports on the box, and then just hit a number to bring up that particular console. You can also individually ssh to port 7001 for the first port, 7002 for the second, etc, but I can never remember what port something is on. I could see this becoming an issue if you had more than one of these at a site...some overall management like Digi Connectware Manager would be needed to keep it straight. You can also ssh right into the box to find that they are running Linux under the hood: # uname -a Linux digicm32 2.4.2_hhl20 #725 Mon Jan 3 17:19:07 KST 2005 ppc unknown # df Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/root.old 3963 532 3227 14% /initrd /dev/mtdblock2 13880 13880 0 100% / /dev/mtdblock5 1024 324 700 32% /usr2 which I think Raritan and Cyclades also do. I was told this allows you to do neat things like syslog to a CF card and sftp that to a central server for reporting from remote sites with cron. Ernie On 11/9/05, John Stoffel wrote: > > > Mike> I am looking to buy some new console servers to work with > Mike> conserver. The most attractive thing I have seen so far is the > Mike> Raritan Dominion SX. We will get the 48 port model. > > I like the Digi CMxx series of console servers. Simple to use, > compact, a sane admin interface, etc. > > Mike> The reasons I like it are that it has a faster processor than > Mike> most. Processor speed is 200MHZ to Cyclades 66MHz. This will > Mike> help with those slow SSH connections. And the price is the > Mike> lowest I have been quoted on so far. > > So what are your primary issues? Are you trying to put the console > server on your production network and secure them by using SSH to > connect from Conserver to the console? > > Is there an option of setting up a private network which only the > console server uses to talk with the console servers? > > I've got both Digi CM and Avocent CPS16s, and I personally want to > chuck the Avocents out, their interface is pretty ugly. I wish I > could play with some other boxes... > > Also, you might just want to poke around on Ebay for Digi and or other > vendors boxes for sale cheap. It's not like they have alot of working > parts in them which can go wrong... and you might be able to get a > good deal that way. > > John > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users > ------=_Part_26438_31857200.1131551943028 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
We have an = number of the Digi CMXX boxes.  They are very nice with the ability to ssh to port 7000 to see a list of the available ports on the box, and then just hit a number to bring up that particular console.  You can also individually ssh to port 7001 for the first port, 7002 for the second, etc, but I can never remember what port something is on.  I could see this becoming an issue if you had more than one of these at a site...some overall management like Digi Connectware Manager would be needed to keep it straight.  You can also ssh right into the box to find that they are running Linux under the hood:
# uname -a
Linux digicm32 2.4.2_hhl20 #725 Mon Jan 3 17:19:07 KST 2005 ppc unknown
# df
Filesystem           1k-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/root.old          &n= bsp;  3963       532      3227  14% /initrd
/dev/mtdblock2           13880     13880         0 100% /
/dev/mtdblock5          &= nbsp; 1024       324       700  32% /usr2
 <= font class=3D"textmain">w= hich I think Raritan and Cyclades also do.  I was told this allows you to do neat things like syslog to a CF card and sftp that to a central server for reporting from remote sites with cron.
Ernie


On 11/9/05, John Stoffel <john.stoffel@taec.toshiba.com> wrote:

Mike> I am looking to buy some new console servers to work with
M= ike> conserver. The most attractive thing I have seen so far is the
M= ike> Raritan Dominion SX. We will get the 48 port model.

I like t= he Digi CMxx series of console servers.  Simple to use,
compact, a sane admin interface, etc.

Mike> The reasons I lik= e it are that it has a faster processor than
Mike> most.  P= rocessor speed is 200MHZ to Cyclades 66MHz. This will
Mike> help with= those slow SSH connections. And the price is the
Mike> lowest I have been quoted on so far.

So what are your p= rimary issues?  Are you trying to put the console
server on yo= ur production network and secure them by using SSH to
connect from Conse= rver to the console?

Is there an option of setting up a private network which only theconsole server uses to talk with the console servers?

I've got bot= h Digi CM and Avocent CPS16s, and I personally want to
chuck the Avocent= s out, their interface is pretty ugly.  I wish I
could play with some other boxes...

Also, you might just want to= poke around on Ebay for Digi and or other
vendors boxes for sale cheap.=   It's not like they have alot of working
parts in them which = can go wrong... and you might be able to get a
good deal that way.

John
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------=_Part_26438_31857200.1131551943028-- From ajc22@york.ac.uk Wed Nov 9 08:17:28 2005 Received: from mail-gw0.york.ac.uk (mail-gw0.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.245]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA9GHLuO000012 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:17:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [144.32.226.111] (rode.york.ac.uk [144.32.226.111]) by mail-gw0.york.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA9GHB6m015438 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:17:11 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <17266.6651.271572.102791@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> References: <4370CF46.7050103@yorku.ca> <17266.6651.271572.102791@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0A8ECDD4-56B7-484B-A01B-C648E3D9A9C4@york.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Arthur Clune Subject: Re: Raritan Dominion SX Console servers. Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:17:08 +0000 To: users@conserver.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-York-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-York-MailScanner-From: ajc22@york.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -3.938 () BAYES_00,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:17:29 -0000 On 9 Nov 2005, at 15:47, John Stoffel wrote: > I've got both Digi CM and Avocent CPS16s, and I personally want to > chuck the Avocents out, their interface is pretty ugly. I wish I > could play with some other boxes... We eval'd Digi (excellent, we bought), Avocent (not impressed) and Cyclades (the software looked like it was knocked together in an afternoon by the work experience boy). YMMV. Arthur -- Dr. A. Clune, Systems Security Advisor The Computing Service, University of York ajc22@york.ac.uk 01904 433129 From stoffj@taec.toshiba.com Wed Nov 9 08:21:51 2005 Received: from mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (mailhost.taec.com [209.243.128.33]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA9GLiJ0000058 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:21:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+NCGbRtO614/7jZWsLXk98LZwyOZlJ6dU@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com [209.243.166.44]) by mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jA9GLfjF010681; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:21:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stoffj@localhost) by sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id jA9GLeCG007320; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:21:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17266.8724.501917.559842@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:21:40 -0500 From: "John Stoffel" To: Ernie Oporto Subject: Re: Raritan Dominion SX Console servers. In-Reply-To: References: <4370CF46.7050103@yorku.ca> <17266.6651.271572.102791@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: Mike Daigle , users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:21:52 -0000 Ernie> We have an number of the Digi CMXX boxes. They are very nice Ernie> with the ability to ssh to port 7000 to see a list of the Ernie> available ports on the box, and then just hit a number to bring Ernie> up that particular console. You can also individually ssh to Ernie> port 7001 for the first port, 7002 for the second, etc, but I Ernie> can never remember what port something is on. I could see this Ernie> becoming an issue if you had more than one of these at a Ernie> site...some overall management like Digi Connectware Manager Ernie> would be needed to keep it straight. Umm... call me dense, but aren't you using Conserver to manage these boxes and which hosts are connected to which ports? That's the whole reason to have conserver. I do like that they are running Linux and that I can ssh into them, but I honestly treat them mostly as dumb devices. That don't send breaks. :"] Though maybe it would be interesting to see if I can do SSH to each of the individual ports, and whether the load on the console server system and the CM32 is too much or not. I bet most makers don't expect you to be running all the ports all the time... John From Zonker.Harris@bigbandnet.com Wed Nov 9 09:17:16 2005 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod8og12.obsmtp.com [64.18.3.230]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jA9HH8Z6000965 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:17:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from source ([12.162.23.196]) by exprod8ob12.postini.com ([64.18.7.12]) with SMTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:16:24 PST X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: SSH performance, CPU speed... Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:15:25 -0800 Message-ID: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35C88@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: SSH performance, CPU speed... Thread-Index: AcXlUSys4PehfW3iTvKrQlZxs1XZ3g== From: "Zonker Harris" To: X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id jA9HH8Z6000965 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:17:17 -0000 I've had trouble getting conserver to open 32 SSH sessions to individual ports on a Cyclades ACS-32. SSH does take a lot of resource on both devices, and (if you plan to keep those sessions active for long periods) can require a lot of RAM (especially if you tickle a memory leak, since the sessions aren't closing, and relinquishing memory). Cary Roberts (at TellMe) as thought about this, and he's tried talking to vendors about the idea, but so far the vendors aren't keen on the idea. The idea is, that the console servers (CS) should accept SSL or SSH tunnels, and the idea plays out like this; The conserver host would open a single SSH session to CS #1, and then tunnel certain ports (say 10001-10032) to CS #1 (to ports 7001-7032, for this example). The conserver would open a second SSH session to CS #2, and tunnel ports 10033-10064 to CS #2 ports 7001-7032... Now, conserver would look for all of these ports, and use one tunnel per CS to encrypt all the sessions for each CS, instead of needing to have [24|32|48] SSH sessions per CS. This would reduce loads on the CSs, as well as the conserver. I'm testing with fairly low-end hardware, because I don't need to stress-load the CSs that I'm testing. In my real-world test, the conserver was also the mail host, syslog host, and a busy apache server, plus a few other tasks. The CSs were having some trouble, but the host was also slow trying to open all of those sessions. It was ugly, and we quickly wired a small management net to connect 4 CSs to 3 hosts, with a small 8-port switch. This keeps the in-the-clear sessions from the curious and/or malicious, and reduced the SSH load on the conserver (since users still need to SSH in to get to the console client app ;-). My thought? More CPU in the CS is OK, but you may also need more CPU on your conserver host (or whatever box is going to originate all of those SSH sessions to the CSs). Best regards, -Z- From holland@guidancetech.com Wed Nov 9 09:30:47 2005 Received: from thorn.pobox.com (thorn.pobox.com [208.210.124.75]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA9HUeCH001103 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from thorn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thorn.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71421C1 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hackintosh (CPE-65-30-91-69.kc.res.rr.com [65.30.91.69]) by thorn.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D53809 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:26:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Rich Holland" To: Subject: RE: Raritan Dominion SX Console servers. Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:30:33 -0800 Organization: Guidance Technologies, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <17266.6651.271572.102791@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXlRX86PFCVliHeTL6xTtIzvaRS9gADShuQ Message-Id: <20051109172643.36D53809@thorn.sasl.smtp.pobox.com> X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: holland@guidancetech.com List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:30:48 -0000 On a recent flight, I happened to sit next to Larry Kraft, Digi's VP of American Sales & Marketing. We had a nice discussion about Digi's products and how they address both the needs of console servers & RFID concentrators. He was familiar with Conserver and seemed to have a decent engineering understanding of what sysadmins need for console servers, which was pleasantly surprising since he's in marketing and not engineering. The last project I needed a conserver for I ended up with a Cisco 2600 that was gathering dust in a recycle pile in the data center; for security we just used a 192.168.x.x network from the conserver host, so the only access to the consoles was via that host, which we were able to restrict with SSH for direct logons, and SSL for conserver access. It worked very well, and you can get some cheap boxes off Ebay I'm sure. If you're buying new, I'd second the recommendation to evaluate the Digi CMxx series. -- Rich Holland (913) 645-1950 SAP Technical Consultant print unpack("u","92G5S\=\"!A;F]T:&5R(\'!E; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from source ([12.162.23.196]) by exprod8ob1.obsmtp.com ([64.18.7.12]) with SMTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:09:28 PST X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Digi and Cyclades have PCMCIA slots Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:08:04 -0800 Message-ID: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35C89@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Raritan Dominion SX Console servers. Thread-Index: AcXlVvjTgegSDWuWQEWSgFeZ4EuJYAAARnyg From: "Zonker Harris" To: X-Spam-Score: -0.6 () BAYES_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id jA9I9f36005070 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 18:09:53 -0000 Just as another aside, related to CS hardware... Digi and Cyclades both have PCMCIA expansion slots. They can be used for Compact Flash, but also for additional Ethernet interfaces. (These Linux boxes can have IP Filter rules to help restrict access to those precious ports... :-) Cyclades also offers a s/w Developers Kit, for those that want to hack a bit more than the average customer... -Z- From phil@ticketmaster.com Wed Nov 9 11:06:04 2005 Received: from sun1rly2.tmcs.net (sun1rly2.tmcs.net [209.104.55.98]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA9J5tnQ005780 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:06:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from metallica.office.tmcs ([172.28.61.111]) by sun1rly2.tmcs.net (8.12.10/8.12.9/200406301403) with ESMTP id jA9J5rbf030711; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:05:53 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by metallica.office.tmcs (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A32100057; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:05:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <43724886.9000709@ticketmaster.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:05:42 -0800 From: Phil Dibowitz User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zonker Harris Subject: Re: SSH performance, CPU speed... References: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35C88@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> In-Reply-To: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35C88@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig915FB22FF1370898A0D37337" X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:06:05 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig915FB22FF1370898A0D37337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zonker Harris wrote: > I've had trouble getting conserver to open 32 SSH sessions > to individual ports on a Cyclades ACS-32. SSH does take a > lot of resource on both devices, and (if you plan to keep > those sessions active for long periods) can require a lot > of RAM (especially if you tickle a memory leak, since the > sessions aren't closing, and relinquishing memory). We certainly have some problems on initial startup, but it all normalizes after a few minutes and a handful of retries. Conserver's ability to say "you've retried too many times, I'm suspending you for a few minutes" is critical in all of this. So it's not a situation that's unmanagable at the moment, but it's certainly not optimal. Of course, at the moment we have 5 cyclades, but are looking to have 48 very soon, which if I didn't split up my conserver boxes would be 2304 ssh sessions from a single box, which is ... not good. ;) I think your solution is very elegant and I'd love to see that ability in cyclades and conserver... -- Phil Dibowitz P: 310-360-2330 C: 213-923-5115 Unix Admin, Ticketmaster.com --------------enig915FB22FF1370898A0D37337 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDckiQ9q0UmHR94IoRAkvNAKCMOgNxj490tOpui2TzbtOavVz93wCgmsIE n/lCAde5d8SmO0yHDGoNCKg= =6bt2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig915FB22FF1370898A0D37337-- From corrigan@KiNETWORKS.com Wed Nov 9 11:25:37 2005 Received: from KiNETWORKS.com (mail.kinetworks.com [68.17.34.194]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA9JPQm0005913 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:25:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim" To: "'Zonker Harris'" , Subject: RE: SSH performance, CPU speed... Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:25:12 -0500 Message-ID: <032901c5e563$5542eea0$0e1010ac@phi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35C88@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:25:38 -0000 -Z- MO does this now! We are glad to make this interface available to conserver code; either you or Bryan can contact me off list to work out the details. History ---------- We asked the console server vendors to support a common interface across all console servers almost three years ago; they declined as a single interface would have allowed their customers to easily mix and match and add console servers from other vendors and w/o being locked into their specific products. We built it anyway and will gladly build it for any linux or windows based console server. The binary we built is called emser ; we have versions for the cyclades, lantronix, digi, logical solutions, opengear, DNPG and our own MO console servers ( 1500.00 USD for 48 ports by the way!); the hardware supported uses varied chip sets and works very efficiently. We even have an interface to Digi's Real Port from emser that we did in coordination with Digi. Raritan committed to provide a console server we could load emser and test, but has yet to deliver it. Avocent's CPS or Equinox and Perle's Console servers all use an OS that does not allow us to load an image either in the form of an image.bin or the binaries themselves. We stand ready to build the binary for Avocent, Perle and test on Raritan. The emser is now deployed under what we call Infrastructure Management Layer. Companies who have deployed it or have been testing it include DESY, GSK, UNILEVER, Vodafone Ireland and Sweden, Queensland University, DaimlerChrysler-Stuttgart, UPMC, OLAF, Centrica, BetFair and many more! It works great See http://www.KiNETWORKS.com/pdf/ConsoleServer-emser.pdf http://www.KiNETWORKS.com/pdf/OperatingSystems-emser checkout a power point presentation done by a DaimlerChrysler consultant: http://www.KiNETWORKS.com/pdf/ee.ppt Functionality ----------------- The emser binary runs on all major console servers. The emser runs on any existing UNIX, Linux or Windows OSs. This means you can take any old PC and make it a console server quickly and easily with a serial card. The console manager running our product or conserver connects to emser over a 1024 bit encrypted pipe with a single link. The emser maintains the connection to the serial ports and the connection back to the host running our product or conserver. We also connect to emser on a Windows, Linux or UNIX system and can bring up a CMD or command line window. This means highly secure connection to an In-Band connection that is fully logged and requires no legacy login; this revolutionizes access to in-band systems. So emser allows command line interfaces to be accessed just the same as console or serial card ports. The emser provides configuration and change control as well. The change and configuration control is also handled by emser and our console manager MO ( Manage Operations )This makes it trivial to replace a console server if it dies. Simply set up the hostname and IP address and load emser and you are ready to go. The emser eliminates the hours necessary to build scripts and maintain those scripts to do change and configuration of console servers. You are also more likely to change console server vendors because you are not locked into a vendor for want of a script to configure it to say nothing of the time saved by using emser rather than the vendor specific configuration programs. The emser provides the added advantage of allowing multiple console managers access to a single port on the server; since emser controls the port - it allows multiple systems to access the port on the console server so that if one console manager running our product or conserver goes down there is still a connection on a redundant system running our product or conserver. We also have a mechanism now that allows the host enabled with emser to have application write to a centralized log file server using the emser pipe. |-----Original Message----- |From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com] On |Behalf Of Zonker Harris |Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:15 PM |To: users@conserver.com |Subject: SSH performance, CPU speed... | | I've had trouble getting conserver to open 32 SSH sessions |to individual ports on a Cyclades ACS-32. SSH does take a |lot of resource on both devices, and (if you plan to keep |those sessions active for long periods) can require a lot |of RAM (especially if you tickle a memory leak, since the |sessions aren't closing, and relinquishing memory). | | Cary Roberts (at TellMe) as thought about this, and he's |tried talking to vendors about the idea, but so far the |vendors aren't keen on the idea. The idea is, that the |console servers (CS) should accept SSL or SSH tunnels, |and the idea plays out like this; | | The conserver host would open a single SSH session to | CS #1, and then tunnel certain ports (say 10001-10032) | to CS #1 (to ports 7001-7032, for this example). | | The conserver would open a second SSH session to CS #2, | and tunnel ports 10033-10064 to CS #2 ports 7001-7032... | | Now, conserver would look for all of these ports, and use | one tunnel per CS to encrypt all the sessions for each CS, | instead of needing to have [24|32|48] SSH sessions per CS. | This would reduce loads on the CSs, as well as the conserver. | | I'm testing with fairly low-end hardware, because I don't |need to stress-load the CSs that I'm testing. In my real-world |test, the conserver was also the mail host, syslog host, and |a busy apache server, plus a few other tasks. The CSs were |having some trouble, but the host was also slow trying to open |all of those sessions. It was ugly, and we quickly wired a |small management net to connect 4 CSs to 3 hosts, with a small |8-port switch. This keeps the in-the-clear sessions from |the curious and/or malicious, and reduced the SSH load on |the conserver (since users still need to SSH in to get to |the console client app ;-). | | My thought? More CPU in the CS is OK, but you may also |need more CPU on your conserver host (or whatever box is |going to originate all of those SSH sessions to the CSs). | | Best regards, | | -Z- | |_______________________________________________ |users mailing list |users@conserver.com |https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users | |___________________________________________________________________ |___ |This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. |For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email |___________________________________________________________________ |___ From stoffj@taec.toshiba.com Wed Nov 9 11:26:25 2005 Received: from mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (mailhost.taec.com [209.243.128.33]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA9JQIMu005972 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:26:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/4Qzkxb+WMkJVg7Bxc/amRwkEBl5GflqE@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com [209.243.166.44]) by mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jA9JQFjF015342 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stoffj@localhost) by sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id jA9JQFmI009150; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:26:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17266.19799.223221.924239@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:26:15 -0500 From: "John Stoffel" To: users@conserver.com Subject: Sun ALOM and conserver question X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:26:26 -0000 Guys, I'm falling back to you all, even though I know I should be able to find this answer out on google. Anyway, we've got a new SunFire V210 with ALOM. I've plugged the Serial Mgt port into my (shudder) Avocent Console Server and I can access things just fine. But if I send a standard Sun break (^ecl0), I get the messages: BREAK Requested - Access Denied And the damm thing just sits there running through various steps. I can't send a break no matter what, though I admit I just did set a password for the admin user on the ALOM board just now. I can get to the SC> prompt on the ALOM, and then send a break command, but it's friggin awkward. Anyone have a clue on how to disable this stuff, or do I need to just not use this port and instead work with the regular serial port? Just to make it clear, I'm plugged into the RJ45 serial management port on the back. There's a DB9 serial port, I should try that too I guess... Thanks, John From ernieoporto@gmail.com Thu Nov 10 10:33:20 2005 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.198]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAAIXDRn024772 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h28so1159882wxd for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:33:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HNQAJ4ji8U8yCHjRXPbD9zwhSXlMe+mxdOQZ3GNFuI1VDRKApUsj2b45p3csK8/r0vXnO4meRWv/pfaPRqtOT7SkG/9GygXy/ICsZDt/KT0tI+rDpktuGkCcRkUCbuzQIu7Ka/8CTdHxWB3FsiaIWBbYv1FJWIvY2/2mbAcEU00= Received: by 10.70.44.1 with SMTP id r1mr949720wxr; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:33:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.46.19 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:33:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:33:12 -0500 From: Ernie Oporto To: John Stoffel Subject: Re: Raritan Dominion SX Console servers. In-Reply-To: <17266.8724.501917.559842@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_44793_25007701.1131647592427" References: <4370CF46.7050103@yorku.ca> <17266.6651.271572.102791@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> <17266.8724.501917.559842@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> X-Spam-Score: -4.801 () BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: Mike Daigle , users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:33:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------=_Part_44793_25007701.1131647592427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Actually, no. We're migrating off conserver because it means we have to rely on two boxes to have console operation. We want to be able to have one box at each branch site. The new Cyclades boxes now have the capability to also act as a KVM and will connect to their managed power strips so that everything is managed from one box. Of course, this brings up the issue of putting all your eggs in one basket and all that. Of course, doing ssh to each port might be interesting. On 11/9/05, John Stoffel wrote: > > > Ernie> We have an number of the Digi CMXX boxes. They are very nice > Ernie> with the ability to ssh to port 7000 to see a list of the > Ernie> available ports on the box, and then just hit a number to bring > Ernie> up that particular console. You can also individually ssh to > Ernie> port 7001 for the first port, 7002 for the second, etc, but I > Ernie> can never remember what port something is on. I could see this > Ernie> becoming an issue if you had more than one of these at a > Ernie> site...some overall management like Digi Connectware Manager > Ernie> would be needed to keep it straight. > > Umm... call me dense, but aren't you using Conserver to manage these > boxes and which hosts are connected to which ports? That's the whole > reason to have conserver. > > I do like that they are running Linux and that I can ssh into them, > but I honestly treat them mostly as dumb devices. That don't send > breaks. :"] > > Though maybe it would be interesting to see if I can do SSH to each of > the individual ports, and whether the load on the console server > system and the CM32 is too much or not. I bet most makers don't > expect you to be running all the ports all the time... > > John > ------=_Part_44793_25007701.1131647592427 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Actually, no.  We're migrating off conserver because it means we have = to rely on two boxes to have console operation.
We want to be able to have one box at each branch site.  The new Cyclades boxes now have the capability to also act as a KVM and will connect to their managed power strips so that everything is managed from one box.  Of course, this brings up the issue of putting all your eggs in one basket and all that.

Of course, doing ssh to each port might be interesting.



On 11/9/05, John Stoffel <john.stoffel@taec.toshiba.com> wrote:

Ernie> We have an number of the Digi CMXX boxes. They are very nice<= br>Ernie> with the ability to ssh to port 7000 to see a list of the
E= rnie> available ports on the box, and then just hit a number to bring
Ernie> up that particular console. You can also individually ssh to<= br>Ernie> port 7001 for the first port, 7002 for the second, etc, but I<= br>Ernie> can never remember what port something is on. I could see this
Ernie> becoming an issue if you had more than one of these at a
E= rnie> site...some overall management like Digi Connectware Manager
Er= nie> would be needed to keep it straight.

Umm... call me dense, b= ut aren't you using Conserver to manage these
boxes and which hosts are connected to which ports?  That's t= he whole
reason to have conserver.

I do like that they are runnin= g Linux and that I can ssh into them,
but I honestly treat them mostly a= s dumb devices.  That don't send
breaks.  :"]

Though maybe it would be interesting= to see if I can do SSH to each of
the individual ports, and whether the= load on the console server
system and the CM32 is too much or not. = ; I bet most makers don't
expect you to be running all the ports all the time...

John
<= /blockquote>
------=_Part_44793_25007701.1131647592427-- From stoffj@taec.toshiba.com Fri Nov 11 07:49:59 2005 Received: from mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (mailhost.taec.com [209.243.128.33]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jABFnpCn009947 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX195pQeP8AATlFVioZCPMrYCX8iN4CLTbCo@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com [209.243.166.44]) by mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jABFnbjF004787; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:49:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stoffj@localhost) by sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id jABFnS5q003562; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:49:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17268.48520.759440.694170@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:49:28 -0500 From: "John Stoffel" To: Ernie Oporto Subject: Re: Raritan Dominion SX Console servers. In-Reply-To: References: <4370CF46.7050103@yorku.ca> <17266.6651.271572.102791@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> <17266.8724.501917.559842@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: Mike Daigle , users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:49:59 -0000 Ernie> Actually, no. We're migrating off conserver because it means we Ernie> have to rely on two boxes to have console operation. So you're giving up the ability to have the mapping of host-consoles to console-server/port done for you automatically? With logging? Ok, I guess I can see it. In my mind, the benefits outweigh the risks for us. Ernie> We want to be able to have one box at each branch site. The new Ernie> Cyclades boxes now have the capability to also act as a KVM and Ernie> will connect to their managed power strips so that everything Ernie> is managed from one box. Of course, this brings up the issue of Ernie> putting all your eggs in one basket and all that. Sure. If there's a single port to log into on the Cyclades and then you can pick which host's console to access easily, then go for it. Ernie> Of course, doing ssh to each port might be interesting. Sure, it can be a big CPU sink on both ends of the connection. Esp when you should really only need one encrypted tunnel between the ConsoleServer and the manager system (running Conserver for example). My problem that conserver solves is that sites with multiple console servers are a pain to manage because you need to either login to all the CS (Console Servers) to find the proper host port, or if you have a mixture of CS types, then you have different access methods to use, etc. John From bryan@stansell.org Fri Nov 11 12:03:00 2005 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jABK30Dh012642 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:03:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jABK30hF012641 for users@conserver.com; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:03:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:03:00 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Subject: telnet bug in perle CS9032 Message-ID: <20051111200300.GS10562@underdog.stansell.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:03:01 -0000 just wanted all to know that i got a (quite positive!) response from the perle folks regarding the telnet option negotiation bits. hopefully those that use the product will see the new version "soon". thanks perle! ----- Forwarded message from ptac@perle.com ----- From: ptac@perle.com Sender: doyama@perle.com To: Bryan Stansell Subject: Re: possible reverse telnet bug in CS9032? Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:46:52 -0500 Bryan, we will be posting a Maintenance Release in the near future that fixes this problem (that you have brought to our attention). The telnet code has been re-worked to comply with the recommendations in the telnet RFC regarding option negotiation loops. __________________________ Perle Technical Assistance www.perle.com/support www.help.perle.com __________________________ ----- End forwarded message ----- Bryan From lorne_vaught@symantec.com Fri Nov 11 12:54:40 2005 Received: from silver.veritas.com (silver.veritas.com [143.127.12.111]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jABKsWPo012963; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:54:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sxchcon1-int.veritas.com (HELO SVLXCHCON1.enterprise.veritas.com) (10.137.18.171) by silver.veritas.com with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2005 12:54:33 -0800 Received: from megami.veritas.com ([10.137.16.7]) by SVLXCHCON1.enterprise.veritas.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:54:32 -0800 Received: (1564 bytes) by megami.veritas.com via sendmail with P:smtp/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:54:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #15 built 2001-Aug-30) Message-Id: To: Bryan Stansell Subject: Re: telnet bug in perle CS9032 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:03:00 PST." <20051111200300.GS10562@underdog.stansell.org> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:54:28 -0800 From: lorne vaught X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2005 20:54:32.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D939810:01C5E702] X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:54:41 -0000 Good news! Thanks for working on this Bryan. Lorne >just wanted all to know that i got a (quite positive!) response from >the perle folks regarding the telnet option negotiation bits. > >hopefully those that use the product will see the new version "soon". > >thanks perle! > >----- Forwarded message from ptac@perle.com ----- > >From: ptac@perle.com >Sender: doyama@perle.com >To: Bryan Stansell >Subject: Re: possible reverse telnet bug in CS9032? >Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:46:52 -0500 > >Bryan, we will be posting a Maintenance Release in the near future that >fixes this problem (that you have brought to our attention). > >The telnet code has been re-worked to comply with the recommendations in >the telnet RFC regarding option negotiation loops. > >__________________________ >Perle Technical Assistance >www.perle.com/support >www.help.perle.com >__________________________ > >----- End forwarded message ----- > >Bryan >_______________________________________________ >users mailing list >users@conserver.com >https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users From lepera@us.ibm.com Mon Nov 14 08:26:15 2005 Received: from e2.ny.us.ibm.com (e2.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.142]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAEGQ7fO001362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (d01relay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.236]) by e2.ny.us.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAEGPwJB022741 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:25:58 -0500 Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (d01av01.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.215]) by d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.8) with ESMTP id jAEGPt4S115248 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:25:58 -0500 Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEGPtOL030052 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:25:55 -0500 Received: from d01mll96.pok.ibm.com (zvmnotes01.pok.ibm.com [9.56.225.14]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAEGPrKh029903 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:25:53 -0500 Subject: Console logging options To: users@conserver.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 Message-ID: From: William P LePera Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:25:48 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01MLL96/01/M/IBM(Release 6.5.4FP2 | September 26, 2005) at 11/14/2005 11:25:53 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:26:16 -0000 I have a quick question about the console logging options in conserver 8.1. Our implementation starts conserver in daemon mode, with the -i flag. This causes console output from each console to be logged when it is opened. Logging terminates when the console is closed (along with the console connection). If the -i flag is omitted, will conserver attempt to open connections for each console configured in conserver.cf? If so, is this different from starting conserver with the -u flag? Finally, if conserver is started with -U (capital "u"), is the log data *only* written to a single unified file? Are the individual log files (one per console) no longer available? Thanks, Bill ___________________________________________________________________ Bill LePera IBM Server Group Poughkeepsie, NY From bryan@stansell.org Mon Nov 14 11:02:31 2005 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAEJ2VDe002409 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jAEJ2Vg3002408 for users@conserver.com; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:02:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:02:31 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Console logging options Message-ID: <20051114190231.GX10562@underdog.stansell.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:02:32 -0000 On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 11:25:48AM -0500, William P LePera wrote: > If the -i flag is omitted, will conserver attempt to open connections for > each console configured in conserver.cf? yes. > If so, is this different from starting conserver with the -u flag? nope. the -u flag just adds extra logging. > Finally, if conserver is started with -U (capital "u"), is the log > data *only* written to a single unified file? Are the individual log > files (one per console) no longer available? no..you get additional output, just like the -u (all individual logfiles as well as the extra stream). each option is independent...if you have all consoles up (with logfiles defined), use -u and -U, you'll have individual logfiles, "unloved" output to stdout (or the logfile if used -L), as well as unified output in the logfile specified with -U. Bryan From shijialist@yahoo.ca Thu Nov 17 10:11:36 2005 Received: from web42103.mail.yahoo.com (web42103.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.196]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAHIBTFa026565 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:11:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 54087 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2005 18:11:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ooLtsODCja2Y1wm6PLM6UMsTBktsf6ejcH08yjFx5TO3rarkqet4LaNKqZgeocqIrY3ZcTbY3CoDljff/H/O3o7ngoNAFIFDIw/qdo9pRkShsGs0fO2Q3dKPoRa8R42HsWszsB9WvSseBWViTvdhCLpz34SQyRA0vpdlSVzKLDc= ; Message-ID: <20051117181129.54085.qmail@web42103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.63.237.207] by web42103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:11:29 EST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:11:29 -0500 (EST) From: "James.Q.L" Subject: opening file mess To: users@conserver.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:11:37 -0000 hello, when i open up a file using vi/emacs, the file content got mixed up with previous output on the screen and makes it totally unreadable. what did i miss? thanks, Qiang __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca From brodie@mcw.edu Thu Nov 17 10:17:59 2005 Received: from guyton.phys.mcw.edu (guyton.phys.mcw.edu [141.106.188.33]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAHIHqeH026658 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:17:57 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: opening file mess Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:17:49 -0600 Message-ID: <8F78639AC56F4143B267FE5F5A1B92C8CB14@guyton.phys.mcw.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: opening file mess Thread-Index: AcXroscZ141D3BOwTzmhcQdce617kwAAEmAg From: "Brodie, Kent" To: "James.Q.L" X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id jAHIHqeH026658 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:17:59 -0000 Your terminal type on the system is not correct. The solution is probably to identify your term type to the system, as follows: $ TERM=vt100 $ export TERM $ vi file.name -----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com] On Behalf Of James.Q.L Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:11 PM To: users@conserver.com Subject: opening file mess hello, when i open up a file using vi/emacs, the file content got mixed up with previous output on the screen and makes it totally unreadable. what did i miss? thanks, Qiang From Zonker.Harris@bigbandnet.com Fri Nov 18 12:47:39 2005 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod8og6.obsmtp.com [64.18.3.207]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAIKlSMh025746 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from source ([12.162.23.196]) by exprod8ob6.obsmtp.com ([64.18.7.12]) with SMTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:47:24 PST X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: LISA 2005 attendees? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:47:23 -0800 Message-ID: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CDC@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LISA 2005 attendees? Thread-Index: AcXsgUbRpUix/TLbQcuSyanT5tIvWg== From: "Zonker Harris" To: X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id jAIKlSMh025746 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:47:40 -0000 Unfortunately, pre-registration for my remote console access service tutorial at LISA this year was too low, and the session has been withdrawn. If anyone on the list was planning to attend, please get in touch with me off-list. I have a couple questions for you. :-) Sorry for the broadcast to everyone else... -Z- http://www.conserver.com/consoles/ From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Fri Nov 18 14:16:15 2005 Received: from www.linuxiceberg.com (66-23-224-81.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.224.81]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAIMG8FO026243 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:16:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] ([192.168.1.115]) by www.linuxiceberg.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAIMIIT02733; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:18:18 -0500 Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? From: Christopher Fowler To: Zonker Harris In-Reply-To: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CDC@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> References: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CDC@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:15:59 -0500 Message-Id: <1132352159.4169.22.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:16:20 -0000 Thats because we are a dying bread. Every young whipper snapper thinks that ssh or telnet is good enough. They don't realize that problems can occur before the tcp/ip stack is operational. They also don't realize how much it sucks to drive into downtown Atlanta at 4pm on a Friday to attach to the serial console of a Cisco switch because it has issues. Parking sucks too. I made that trip once and that was it! On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 12:47 -0800, Zonker Harris wrote: > Unfortunately, pre-registration for my > remote console access service tutorial at > LISA this year was too low, and the session > has been withdrawn. > > If anyone on the list was planning to > attend, please get in touch with me off-list. > I have a couple questions for you. :-) > > Sorry for the broadcast to everyone else... > > -Z- http://www.conserver.com/consoles/ > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users From phil@ticketmaster.com Fri Nov 18 14:25:57 2005 Received: from sun1rly4.tmcs.net (sun1rly4.tmcs.net [209.104.55.100]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAIMPnY1026331 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:25:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from metallica.office.tmcs ([172.28.61.111]) by sun1rly4.tmcs.net (8.12.10/8.12.9/200406301403) with ESMTP id jAIMPlZv021181; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:25:47 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by metallica.office.tmcs (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DEC10005A; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:25:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <437E54EA.9070905@ticketmaster.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:25:46 -0800 From: Phil Dibowitz User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Fowler Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? References: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CDC@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> <1132352159.4169.22.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> In-Reply-To: <1132352159.4169.22.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig600F68FEF7E49AD113E387DA" X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com, Zonker Harris X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:25:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig600F68FEF7E49AD113E387DA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christopher Fowler wrote: > Thats because we are a dying bread. Every young whipper snapper thinks > that ssh or telnet is good enough. They don't realize that problems can > occur before the tcp/ip stack is operational. They also don't realize > how much it sucks to drive into downtown Atlanta at 4pm on a Friday to > attach to the serial console of a Cisco switch because it has issues. > Parking sucks too. I made that trip once and that was it! Hey - I beg to differ - age has nothing to do with it. I setup remote console servers at a company where the machine room was next door to my office using conserver+cycaldes. I'm 23. One of the first thing I do at every company I've been at is setup console servers. Everything should be able to be done remotely and reliably. When I get called at 4am I don't want to have to drive anywhere - that's a pain for me, and more downtime for the company. Age has nothing to do with it. If you don't understand how and when technology can fail, you're a poor and/or inexperienced admin. Short and simple. I've seen plenty of 50 year olds make that mistake. -- Phil Dibowitz P: 310-360-2330 C: 213-923-5115 Unix Admin, Ticketmaster.com --------------enig600F68FEF7E49AD113E387DA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDflTq9q0UmHR94IoRAumNAKC1jdZAa2GETPtfSQCiB3RgBlQYawCgszMA wJ4qNGDysr0Y1gtIJXx1wRc= =4m3U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig600F68FEF7E49AD113E387DA-- From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Fri Nov 18 14:38:28 2005 Received: from www.linuxiceberg.com (66-23-224-81.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.224.81]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAIMcK6M026418 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:38:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] ([192.168.1.115]) by www.linuxiceberg.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAIMeUT02750; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:40:31 -0500 Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? From: Christopher Fowler To: Phil Dibowitz In-Reply-To: <437E54EA.9070905@ticketmaster.com> References: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CDC@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> <1132352159.4169.22.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> <437E54EA.9070905@ticketmaster.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:38:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1132353492.4169.38.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com, Zonker Harris X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:38:29 -0000 On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 14:25 -0800, Phil Dibowitz wrote: > Age has nothing to do with it. If you don't understand how and when > technology can fail, you're a poor and/or inexperienced admin. Short > and > simple. I've seen plenty of 50 year olds make that mistake. I've been in this business for years and I hear excuses like "The Server will never fail" or "Out network never goes down". Seriously do a survey and figure out how many IT departments actually have what we call "naked" consoles. Most of them do. If it has a console it needs to be covered. A year ago I installed a large company in Texas. I installed them after their largest Cisco Switch had issues and nothing was attached to the console port. This happens all them time. The problem is that console management is a real project with real costs and many companies can not see the need to spend that money especially if they feel they'll never use it. I look at it like insurance. You may not use it but if you need it then you'll have it. And there have been times that I've needed to file a claim on our network. Like after configuration ID-10-T errors. For example. Here is an email I received from a prospect we have been helping. ------------------------------------------------------------------- The final migration of the project was successfully completed last Saturday, and our customers have enjoyed one week of incident-free operations in the new data center. In view of the need for funds to be diverted to other project issues and the perceived low risk of any OOB management being required in the short term, the entire OOB management solution has been abandoned, and will be re-visited mid to late next year. I would like to take this opportunity to join my thanks with those of for the time and effort which you have put into your proposal. While technically sound, it is regrettable that it has been unable to proceed at this juncture. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Translated: Now the funds needed to implement such a huge project is more than the perceived risk of needing OOB during failure. (Out of Band) console management. Some people like me implement because we don't want failure and we need access to the devices at the console level from anywhere. Others wait till they get screwed a few times. From Zonker.Harris@bigbandnet.com Fri Nov 18 14:38:41 2005 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod8og9.obsmtp.com [64.18.3.219]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAIMcQmN026419 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:38:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from source ([12.162.23.196]) by exprod8ob9.obsmtp.com ([64.18.7.12]) with SMTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:38:25 PST X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: LISA 2005 attendees? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:38:25 -0800 Message-ID: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CE1@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LISA 2005 attendees? Thread-Index: AcXsjwZHhHpT4TuqT4+HEeiIOstOzQAACYDw From: "Zonker Harris" To: X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id jAIMcQmN026419 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:38:41 -0000 Wow! And Phil's been on the list a few years! :-) When I started planning my first presentation for LISA 2000, Conserver was 10 years old, and still a 'best kept secret'. I was asking some admins why Conserver was such a useful tool for them (how did they find it invaluable). Many replied "How else would you do it?" They had started out in shops where Conserver was already deployed, and never learned about crash carts, didn't have to wrestle with serial settings, didn't have to walk or drive to other sites when they wanted to check... Since USENIX withdrew my class, the material won't be in the proceedings, or on the CD-ROM. Therefore, I think I'm free to use it in other arenas. I'm not sure if I can interest SANS in it, or some other USENIX-like entity in another region of the world. If I don't find any opportunities that I can take, I'd likely be willing to let the folks here get at the PDF file sooner than the usual 1-year waiting period I've used. (I use the "Notes Pages" format in PowerPoint, to include most of the talking points for each slide as part of the class handbook. You'd still be missing the demos and interactive portions of the class...) I started this thread to reach those that signed up for LISA, but I'll probably share it with the group at large, given that the discussion is generating attention. -Z- -----Original Message----- From: Phil Dibowitz [mailto:phil@ticketmaster.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:26 PM To: Christopher Fowler Cc: Zonker Harris; users@conserver.com Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? Christopher Fowler wrote: > Thats because we are a dying bread. Every young whipper snapper thinks > that ssh or telnet is good enough. They don't realize that problems can > occur before the tcp/ip stack is operational. They also don't realize > how much it sucks to drive into downtown Atlanta at 4pm on a Friday to > attach to the serial console of a Cisco switch because it has issues. > Parking sucks too. I made that trip once and that was it! Hey - I beg to differ - age has nothing to do with it. I setup remote console servers at a company where the machine room was next door to my office using conserver+cycaldes. I'm 23. One of the first thing I do at every company I've been at is setup console servers. Everything should be able to be done remotely and reliably. When I get called at 4am I don't want to have to drive anywhere - that's a pain for me, and more downtime for the company. Age has nothing to do with it. If you don't understand how and when technology can fail, you're a poor and/or inexperienced admin. Short and simple. I've seen plenty of 50 year olds make that mistake. -- Phil Dibowitz P: 310-360-2330 C: 213-923-5115 Unix Admin, Ticketmaster.com From phil@ticketmaster.com Fri Nov 18 14:49:32 2005 Received: from sun1rly4.tmcs.net (sun1rly4.tmcs.net [209.104.55.100]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAIMnPrf026547 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from metallica.office.tmcs ([172.28.61.111]) by sun1rly4.tmcs.net (8.12.10/8.12.9/200406301403) with ESMTP id jAIMnOZv028208 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:49:24 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by metallica.office.tmcs (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA9510005A for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:49:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <437E5A73.1050703@ticketmaster.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:49:23 -0800 From: Phil Dibowitz User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? References: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CE1@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> In-Reply-To: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CE1@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig3247338CA5A2E4B50AED2681" X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:49:33 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig3247338CA5A2E4B50AED2681 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zonker Harris wrote: > Wow! And Phil's been on the list a few years! :-) I started young. ;) I actually gave a talk at LISA... erm.... 2002? "Over-Zealous Security Administrators Are Breaking The Internet" > Many replied "How else > would you do it?" They had started out in shops > where Conserver was already deployed, and never > learned about crash carts, didn't have to wrestle > with serial settings, didn't have to walk or drive > to other sites when they wanted to check... Oh, I've done both. Even with conserver crashcarts and stuff are needed. When I worked on the 1500 node linux cluster at USC enough stuff had problems often enough that even with IBM xSeries service processors, BIOS console redirection, conserver, xcat, network boots for BIOS upgrades and CMOS settings, and the whole deal we still needed a crash cart more often than I would have liked... but WAY less often then if we didn't have console servers. -- Phil Dibowitz P: 310-360-2330 C: 213-923-5115 Unix Admin, Ticketmaster.com --------------enig3247338CA5A2E4B50AED2681 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDflpz9q0UmHR94IoRAiBNAJ9Z4FDS2qZWHINA8B9CnWaT9aTCIQCcCz3u /NekBmLKhs8lM3quNaK7+UA= =kQE8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig3247338CA5A2E4B50AED2681-- From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Fri Nov 18 14:59:12 2005 Received: from www.linuxiceberg.com (66-23-224-81.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.224.81]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAIMx4xL026663 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:59:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] ([192.168.1.115]) by www.linuxiceberg.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAIN1KT02758; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:01:20 -0500 Subject: RE: LISA 2005 attendees? From: Christopher Fowler To: Zonker Harris In-Reply-To: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CE1@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> References: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CE1@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:59:02 -0500 Message-Id: <1132354742.4169.48.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:59:13 -0000 On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 14:38 -0800, Zonker Harris wrote: > and never > learned about crash carts, didn't have to wrestle > with serial settings, didn't have to walk or drive > to other sites when they wanted to check... > I worked for vars that did this so I got to see many data centers. 2 years ago I went to a data center that has aprox 10,000 Rack Saver blades. It is a Linux cluster. Each rack had a Dell switch. That switched served the rack. Sometimes the dell switch would go stupid. I was there when it happened. 7 engineers was huddled around a crash cart that had a PC for serial console access. Each one of them had to leave their location and spend time solving these issues. Only one of them could type and it was hard for all 7 to see the screen because it was so crowded. Normally when this happens they telnet to the switches but with the clusters the switches are so busy processing packets they can no longer accept telnet connections. At that point the only access was serial console. They might have had only a couple hundred of these switches managing all these blades. I could start a flame war on this list about how I feel about Dell but if they wanted to run those critical switches headless then they should have at least picked Cisco. This cluster processed geological data so every second a node was down was money lost. One of the main goals of this cluster was to find oil. Now their competitor only had 2,000 nodes of Dell servers. Each node was attached via console management. Each switch. Everything. They had also written utilities to interact with all the consoles that were in the system. Some people see the vision, some don't. Once you do you never go back. From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Fri Nov 18 15:01:47 2005 Received: from www.linuxiceberg.com (66-23-224-81.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.224.81]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAIN1ebG026716 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:01:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] ([192.168.1.115]) by www.linuxiceberg.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAIN3sT02762; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:03:54 -0500 Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? From: Christopher Fowler To: Phil Dibowitz In-Reply-To: <437E5A73.1050703@ticketmaster.com> References: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CE1@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> <437E5A73.1050703@ticketmaster.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:01:35 -0500 Message-Id: <1132354895.4169.50.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:01:47 -0000 On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 14:49 -0800, Phil Dibowitz wrote: > "Over-Zealous Security > Administrators Are Breaking The Internet" Do you have the text :) I have to deal with people from the tin-foil hat brigade every day. From gregb_ka6max@hotmail.com Fri Nov 18 15:06:56 2005 Received: from hotmail.com (bay111-f16.bay111.hotmail.com [64.4.17.26]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAIN6oEN026791 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:06:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:06:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.17.200 by by111fd.bay111.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:06:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [20.137.146.50] X-Originating-Email: [gregb_ka6max@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gregb_ka6max@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CE1@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> From: "Greg Brown" To: users@conserver.com Subject: RE: LISA 2005 attendees? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:06:49 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2005 23:06:49.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1A66670:01C5EC94] X-Spam-Score: -2.229 () BAYES_00,FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:06:57 -0000 Zonker and list, I work in San Diego and just woke up to the fact that LISA is going to be here. Does anyone on the list have any expo tickets or know where I can get some? I would love to meet with some other Conserver "birds of a feather" and talk for a while about what we have all been doing. I am gearing up to build another new Conserver machine and would like to pick the group's brains. Hopefully, Greg Brown CSC data center 858-573-3322 office >From: "Zonker Harris" >To: >Subject: RE: LISA 2005 attendees? >Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:38:25 -0800 > > Wow! And Phil's been on the list a few years! :-) > > When I started planning my first presentation for >LISA 2000, Conserver was 10 years old, and still a >'best kept secret'. I was asking some admins why >Conserver was such a useful tool for them (how did >they find it invaluable). Many replied "How else >would you do it?" They had started out in shops >where Conserver was already deployed, and never >learned about crash carts, didn't have to wrestle >with serial settings, didn't have to walk or drive >to other sites when they wanted to check... > > Since USENIX withdrew my class, the material won't >be in the proceedings, or on the CD-ROM. Therefore, I >think I'm free to use it in other arenas. I'm not sure >if I can interest SANS in it, or some other USENIX-like >entity in another region of the world. If I don't >find any opportunities that I can take, I'd likely be >willing to let the folks here get at the PDF file >sooner than the usual 1-year waiting period I've used. >(I use the "Notes Pages" format in PowerPoint, to >include most of the talking points for each slide >as part of the class handbook. You'd still be missing >the demos and interactive portions of the class...) > > I started this thread to reach those that signed up >for LISA, but I'll probably share it with the group at >large, given that the discussion is generating attention. > > -Z- > >-----Original Message----- >From: Phil Dibowitz [mailto:phil@ticketmaster.com] >Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:26 PM >To: Christopher Fowler >Cc: Zonker Harris; users@conserver.com >Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? > >Christopher Fowler wrote: > > Thats because we are a dying bread. Every young whipper snapper thinks > > that ssh or telnet is good enough. They don't realize that problems can > > occur before the tcp/ip stack is operational. They also don't realize > > how much it sucks to drive into downtown Atlanta at 4pm on a Friday to > > attach to the serial console of a Cisco switch because it has issues. > > Parking sucks too. I made that trip once and that was it! > >Hey - I beg to differ - age has nothing to do with it. I setup remote >console servers at a company where the machine room was next door to my >office using conserver+cycaldes. I'm 23. > >One of the first thing I do at every company I've been at is setup >console servers. Everything should be able to be done remotely and >reliably. When I get called at 4am I don't want to have to drive >anywhere - that's a pain for me, and more downtime for the company. > >Age has nothing to do with it. If you don't understand how and when >technology can fail, you're a poor and/or inexperienced admin. Short and >simple. I've seen plenty of 50 year olds make that mistake. > >-- >Phil Dibowitz >P: 310-360-2330 C: 213-923-5115 >Unix Admin, Ticketmaster.com > >_______________________________________________ >users mailing list >users@conserver.com >https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users From RLAdams@Kelsey-Seybold.com Fri Nov 18 15:08:21 2005 Received: from KS119IS01SMTP2.ksnet.com (ks119is01smtp2.ksnet.com [162.121.247.12]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAIN8Cp7026824 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:08:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from pingu.ksnet.com ([129.100.4.20]) by KS119IS01SMTP2.ksnet.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:08:11 -0600 Received: by pingu.ksnet.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:08:11 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:08:11 -0600 From: "Adams, Russell L." To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? Message-ID: <20051118230811.GN19123@pingu.ksnet.com> Mail-Followup-To: users@conserver.com References: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CE1@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CE1@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com > User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-imss-version: 2.034 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:99.90000 C:2 M:3 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:1 C:1 M:1 S:1 R:1 (0.0000 0.0000) X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:08:21 -0000 Talk about a useful tool for servers, its also quite useful for virtual servers! I use conserver for console access to a slew of UML's. =] http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/twiki/bin/view.cgi/HLUG/UsingConserverWithUserModeLinux Russell On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 02:38:25PM -0800, Zonker Harris wrote: > Wow! And Phil's been on the list a few years! :-) > > When I started planning my first presentation for > LISA 2000, Conserver was 10 years old, and still a > 'best kept secret'. I was asking some admins why > Conserver was such a useful tool for them (how did > they find it invaluable). Many replied "How else > would you do it?" They had started out in shops > where Conserver was already deployed, and never > learned about crash carts, didn't have to wrestle > with serial settings, didn't have to walk or drive > to other sites when they wanted to check... > > Since USENIX withdrew my class, the material won't > be in the proceedings, or on the CD-ROM. Therefore, I > think I'm free to use it in other arenas. I'm not sure > if I can interest SANS in it, or some other USENIX-like > entity in another region of the world. If I don't > find any opportunities that I can take, I'd likely be > willing to let the folks here get at the PDF file > sooner than the usual 1-year waiting period I've used. > (I use the "Notes Pages" format in PowerPoint, to > include most of the talking points for each slide > as part of the class handbook. You'd still be missing > the demos and interactive portions of the class...) > > I started this thread to reach those that signed up > for LISA, but I'll probably share it with the group at > large, given that the discussion is generating attention. > > -Z- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Dibowitz [mailto:phil@ticketmaster.com] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:26 PM > To: Christopher Fowler > Cc: Zonker Harris; users@conserver.com > Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? > > Christopher Fowler wrote: > > Thats because we are a dying bread. Every young whipper snapper thinks > > that ssh or telnet is good enough. They don't realize that problems can > > occur before the tcp/ip stack is operational. They also don't realize > > how much it sucks to drive into downtown Atlanta at 4pm on a Friday to > > attach to the serial console of a Cisco switch because it has issues. > > Parking sucks too. I made that trip once and that was it! > > Hey - I beg to differ - age has nothing to do with it. I setup remote > console servers at a company where the machine room was next door to my > office using conserver+cycaldes. I'm 23. > > One of the first thing I do at every company I've been at is setup > console servers. Everything should be able to be done remotely and > reliably. When I get called at 4am I don't want to have to drive > anywhere - that's a pain for me, and more downtime for the company. > > Age has nothing to do with it. If you don't understand how and when > technology can fail, you're a poor and/or inexperienced admin. Short and > simple. I've seen plenty of 50 year olds make that mistake. > > -- > Phil Dibowitz > P: 310-360-2330 C: 213-923-5115 > Unix Admin, Ticketmaster.com > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users From sebby@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Fri Nov 18 15:29:54 2005 Received: from atalanta.it.anl.gov (atalanta.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.104]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAINTkOf026965 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:29:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by atalanta.it.anl.gov (Postfix, from userid 13904) id 093E62C39E; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:29:41 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:29:41 -0600 From: Brian Sebby To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? Message-ID: <20051118232941.GA13954@atalanta.it.anl.gov> References: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CDC@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> <1132352159.4169.22.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1132352159.4169.22.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:29:55 -0000 Well, I'm probably a "young whippersnapper", but I really like conserver and we still use it extensively. I didn't sign up for the class since I have our infrastructure up and running. Our biggest change, though, is that our newest machines are now using Sun's ALOM hardware, which doesn't really work with conserver. But as long as we have legacy systems, we'll have conserver around. Zonker - at the very least, we should have a Conserver BoF. That could be a place to at least give some information about conserver to people who had planned to take your class, and allow the folks already running it to share their experiences and ideas. Brian On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 05:15:59PM -0500, Christopher Fowler wrote: > Thats because we are a dying bread. Every young whipper snapper thinks > that ssh or telnet is good enough. They don't realize that problems can > occur before the tcp/ip stack is operational. They also don't realize > how much it sucks to drive into downtown Atlanta at 4pm on a Friday to > attach to the serial console of a Cisco switch because it has issues. > Parking sucks too. I made that trip once and that was it! > > > > On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 12:47 -0800, Zonker Harris wrote: > > Unfortunately, pre-registration for my > > remote console access service tutorial at > > LISA this year was too low, and the session > > has been withdrawn. > > > > If anyone on the list was planning to > > attend, please get in touch with me off-list. > > I have a couple questions for you. :-) > > > > Sorry for the broadcast to everyone else... > > > > -Z- http://www.conserver.com/consoles/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > users mailing list > > users@conserver.com > > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users -- Brian Sebby (sebby@anl.gov) | Unix and Operation Services Phone: +1 630.252.9935 | Computing and Information Systems Fax: +1 630.252.4601 | Argonne National Laboratory From phil@ticketmaster.com Fri Nov 18 15:38:52 2005 Received: from sun1rly3.tmcs.net (sun1rly3.tmcs.net [209.104.55.99]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAINcjdY027054 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:38:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from metallica.office.tmcs ([172.28.61.111]) by sun1rly3.tmcs.net (8.12.10/8.12.9/200406301403) with ESMTP id jAINch9g011459; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:38:43 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by metallica.office.tmcs (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA52010005A; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:38:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <437E6602.3040607@ticketmaster.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:38:42 -0800 From: Phil Dibowitz User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Sebby Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? References: <20051118232941.GA13954@atalanta.it.anl.gov> In-Reply-To: <20051118232941.GA13954@atalanta.it.anl.gov> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7F335A599FD8DB5AB839AB2B" X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:38:53 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7F335A599FD8DB5AB839AB2B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Sebby wrote: > Well, I'm probably a "young whippersnapper", but I really like conserver > and we still use it extensively. I didn't sign up for the class since I > have our infrastructure up and running. Our biggest change, though, is > that our newest machines are now using Sun's ALOM hardware, which doesn't > really work with conserver. But as long as we have legacy systems, we'll > have conserver around. Why not? -- Phil Dibowitz P: 310-360-2330 C: 213-923-5115 Unix Admin, Ticketmaster.com --------------enig7F335A599FD8DB5AB839AB2B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDfmYC9q0UmHR94IoRAiRKAJ4gKkzrrdAQ+GTft2xpSAqZYYBoZwCfRoZi kAElWnbDvbgSYHqULgwyxRE= =iTg2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig7F335A599FD8DB5AB839AB2B-- From Zonker.Harris@bigbandnet.com Fri Nov 18 15:39:40 2005 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod8og11.obsmtp.com [64.18.3.229]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAINdUOl027081 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:39:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from source ([12.162.23.196]) by exprod8ob11.postini.com ([64.18.7.12]) with SMTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:39:29 PST X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: UserMode Linux and Conserver (URL) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:39:29 -0800 Message-ID: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CE6@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LISA 2005 attendees? Thread-Index: AcXslVfkKGaFJii7T6ypQBTJFQhwLQAA6x/g From: "Zonker Harris" To: X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id jAINdUOl027081 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:39:41 -0000 Nice write-up Adam. Mind if I point to this from my pages? -Z- -----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com]On Behalf Of Adams, Russell L. Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:08 PM To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? Talk about a useful tool for servers, its also quite useful for virtual servers! I use conserver for console access to a slew of UML's. =] http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/twiki/bin/view.cgi/HLUG/UsingConserverWithUserModeLinux Russell On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 02:38:25PM -0800, Zonker Harris wrote: > Wow! And Phil's been on the list a few years! :-) > > When I started planning my first presentation for > LISA 2000, Conserver was 10 years old, and still a > 'best kept secret'. I was asking some admins why > Conserver was such a useful tool for them (how did > they find it invaluable). Many replied "How else > would you do it?" They had started out in shops > where Conserver was already deployed, and never > learned about crash carts, didn't have to wrestle > with serial settings, didn't have to walk or drive > to other sites when they wanted to check... > > Since USENIX withdrew my class, the material won't > be in the proceedings, or on the CD-ROM. Therefore, I > think I'm free to use it in other arenas. I'm not sure > if I can interest SANS in it, or some other USENIX-like > entity in another region of the world. If I don't > find any opportunities that I can take, I'd likely be > willing to let the folks here get at the PDF file > sooner than the usual 1-year waiting period I've used. > (I use the "Notes Pages" format in PowerPoint, to > include most of the talking points for each slide > as part of the class handbook. You'd still be missing > the demos and interactive portions of the class...) > > I started this thread to reach those that signed up > for LISA, but I'll probably share it with the group at > large, given that the discussion is generating attention. > > -Z- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Dibowitz [mailto:phil@ticketmaster.com] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:26 PM > To: Christopher Fowler > Cc: Zonker Harris; users@conserver.com > Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? > > Christopher Fowler wrote: > > Thats because we are a dying bread. Every young whipper snapper thinks > > that ssh or telnet is good enough. They don't realize that problems can > > occur before the tcp/ip stack is operational. They also don't realize > > how much it sucks to drive into downtown Atlanta at 4pm on a Friday to > > attach to the serial console of a Cisco switch because it has issues. > > Parking sucks too. I made that trip once and that was it! > > Hey - I beg to differ - age has nothing to do with it. I setup remote > console servers at a company where the machine room was next door to my > office using conserver+cycaldes. I'm 23. > > One of the first thing I do at every company I've been at is setup > console servers. Everything should be able to be done remotely and > reliably. When I get called at 4am I don't want to have to drive > anywhere - that's a pain for me, and more downtime for the company. > > Age has nothing to do with it. If you don't understand how and when > technology can fail, you're a poor and/or inexperienced admin. Short and > simple. I've seen plenty of 50 year olds make that mistake. > > -- > Phil Dibowitz > P: 310-360-2330 C: 213-923-5115 > Unix Admin, Ticketmaster.com _______________________________________________ users mailing list users@conserver.com https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users From phil@ticketmaster.com Fri Nov 18 15:51:02 2005 Received: from sun1rly4.tmcs.net (sun1rly4.tmcs.net [209.104.55.100]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAINou0p027197 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:51:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from metallica.office.tmcs ([172.28.61.111]) by sun1rly4.tmcs.net (8.12.10/8.12.9/200406301403) with ESMTP id jAINouZv011212 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:50:56 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by metallica.office.tmcs (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52FD910005A for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:50:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <437E68DF.1030208@ticketmaster.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:50:55 -0800 From: Phil Dibowitz User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? References: <1132354895.4169.50.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> In-Reply-To: <1132354895.4169.50.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:51:03 -0000 Christopher Fowler wrote: > On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 14:49 -0800, Phil Dibowitz wrote: > >>"Over-Zealous Security >>Administrators Are Breaking The Internet" > > > Do you have the text :) I have to deal with people from the tin-foil > hat brigade every day. Sure. http://www.phildev.net/mss/ -- Phil Dibowitz P: 310-360-2330 C: 213-923-5115 Unix Admin, Ticketmaster.com From RLAdams@Kelsey-Seybold.com Sat Nov 19 11:45:38 2005 Received: from KS119IS01SMTP2.ksnet.com (ks119is01smtp2.ksnet.com [162.121.247.12]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAJJjURo022798 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:45:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from pingu.ksnet.com ([129.100.4.20]) by KS119IS01SMTP2.ksnet.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:45:29 -0600 Received: by pingu.ksnet.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:45:29 -0600 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:45:29 -0600 From: "Adams, Russell L." To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? Message-ID: <20051119194529.GA26210@pingu.ksnet.com> Mail-Followup-To: users@conserver.com References: <20051118232941.GA13954@atalanta.it.anl.gov> <437E6602.3040607@ticketmaster.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <437E6602.3040607@ticketmaster.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-imss-version: 2.034 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:99.90000 C:2 M:3 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:1 C:1 M:1 S:1 R:1 (0.0000 0.0000) X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:45:39 -0000 I wonder if its anything like IBM's new POWER5 systems. They use an ethernet connection now for management versus serial console, though serial console may still be an option on standalone nonLPARed systems. Russell On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 05:38:42PM -0600, Phil Dibowitz wrote: > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users > > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:40:54 -0600 > Subject: > > > Brian Sebby wrote: > > Well, I'm probably a "young whippersnapper", but I really like conserver > > and we still use it extensively. I didn't sign up for the class since I > > have our infrastructure up and running. Our biggest change, though, is > > that our newest machines are now using Sun's ALOM hardware, which doesn't > > really work with conserver. But as long as we have legacy systems, we'll > > have conserver around. > > Why not? > > -- > Phil Dibowitz > P: 310-360-2330 C: 213-923-5115 > Unix Admin, Ticketmaster.com From RLAdams@Kelsey-Seybold.com Sat Nov 19 11:48:58 2005 Received: from KS119IS01SMTP2.ksnet.com (ks119is01smtp2.ksnet.com [162.121.247.12]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAJJmmOp022832 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:48:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from pingu.ksnet.com ([129.100.4.20]) by KS119IS01SMTP2.ksnet.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:48:47 -0600 Received: by pingu.ksnet.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:48:47 -0600 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:48:47 -0600 From: "Adams, Russell L." To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: UserMode Linux and Conserver (URL) Message-ID: <20051119194847.GB26210@pingu.ksnet.com> Mail-Followup-To: users@conserver.com References: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CE6@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35CE6@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com > User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-imss-version: 2.034 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:99.90000 C:2 M:3 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:1 C:1 M:1 S:1 R:1 (0.0000 0.0000) X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:48:58 -0000 Go right ahead. I hope its useful! When I first started using UML I was astounded by the difficulty in managing them. Xterms! Telnet ports, all very ugly. Conserver bolts on nicely and simplifies things immensely. Russell On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 03:39:29PM -0800, Zonker Harris wrote: > Nice write-up Adam. Mind if I point to this from my pages? > > -Z- > > -----Original Message----- > From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com]On > Behalf Of Adams, Russell L. > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:08 PM > To: users@conserver.com > Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? > > Talk about a useful tool for servers, its also quite useful for > virtual servers! I use conserver for console access to a slew of > UML's. =] > > http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/twiki/bin/view.cgi/HLUG/UsingConserverWithUserModeLinux > > Russell > > On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 02:38:25PM -0800, Zonker Harris wrote: > > Wow! And Phil's been on the list a few years! :-) > > > > When I started planning my first presentation for > > LISA 2000, Conserver was 10 years old, and still a > > 'best kept secret'. I was asking some admins why > > Conserver was such a useful tool for them (how did > > they find it invaluable). Many replied "How else > > would you do it?" They had started out in shops > > where Conserver was already deployed, and never > > learned about crash carts, didn't have to wrestle > > with serial settings, didn't have to walk or drive > > to other sites when they wanted to check... > > > > Since USENIX withdrew my class, the material won't > > be in the proceedings, or on the CD-ROM. Therefore, I > > think I'm free to use it in other arenas. I'm not sure > > if I can interest SANS in it, or some other USENIX-like > > entity in another region of the world. If I don't > > find any opportunities that I can take, I'd likely be > > willing to let the folks here get at the PDF file > > sooner than the usual 1-year waiting period I've used. > > (I use the "Notes Pages" format in PowerPoint, to > > include most of the talking points for each slide > > as part of the class handbook. You'd still be missing > > the demos and interactive portions of the class...) > > > > I started this thread to reach those that signed up > > for LISA, but I'll probably share it with the group at > > large, given that the discussion is generating attention. > > > > -Z- > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Phil Dibowitz [mailto:phil@ticketmaster.com] > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:26 PM > > To: Christopher Fowler > > Cc: Zonker Harris; users@conserver.com > > Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? > > > > Christopher Fowler wrote: > > > Thats because we are a dying bread. Every young whipper snapper thinks > > > that ssh or telnet is good enough. They don't realize that problems can > > > occur before the tcp/ip stack is operational. They also don't realize > > > how much it sucks to drive into downtown Atlanta at 4pm on a Friday to > > > attach to the serial console of a Cisco switch because it has issues. > > > Parking sucks too. I made that trip once and that was it! > > > > Hey - I beg to differ - age has nothing to do with it. I setup remote > > console servers at a company where the machine room was next door to my > > office using conserver+cycaldes. I'm 23. > > > > One of the first thing I do at every company I've been at is setup > > console servers. Everything should be able to be done remotely and > > reliably. When I get called at 4am I don't want to have to drive > > anywhere - that's a pain for me, and more downtime for the company. > > > > Age has nothing to do with it. If you don't understand how and when > > technology can fail, you're a poor and/or inexperienced admin. Short and > > simple. I've seen plenty of 50 year olds make that mistake. > > > > -- > > Phil Dibowitz > > P: 310-360-2330 C: 213-923-5115 > > Unix Admin, Ticketmaster.com > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users From sasha@oktetlabs.ru Mon Nov 21 02:45:44 2005 Received: from shelob.oktetlabs.ru ([195.209.228.254]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jALAjaM9021996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 02:45:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from gondor (gondor.oktetlabs.ru [192.168.37.37]) by shelob.oktetlabs.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id B512B4733B for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:45:35 +0300 (MSK) Received: by gondor (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B12911C40C; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:45:35 +0300 (MSK) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:45:35 +0300 From: "Alexandra N. Kossovsky" To: users@conserver.com Subject: conserver uses 99% CPU Message-ID: <20051121104535.GU7906@oktetlabs.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:45:45 -0000 Hello. We use conserver to share console access to devices. We use usual "console" clients as well as home-made library to log data from console into the logs of running test. After using home-made library, conserver sometimes runs with 99% CPU. Please note, that home-made library sometimes fails to close connection to conserver propely, but server should not behave in such a way if a client failed to do the things properly. home-made library is very simple: it connects, sends "^Ec;", logs all incoming data, tries to send "^Ec.", closes the socket. I'm ready to provide any necessary information. I've tried conserver 8.1.1 (default in Debian Sarge), 8.1.11 and 8.1.12, there is no difference in their behaviour. I've reported this problem to Debian bugtracker (339729), and Debian maintainer Joergen Haegg advised me to forward my problem here. Regards, Alexandra. -- Alexandra N. Kossovsky OKTET Labs (http://www.oktetlabs.ru/) Phones: +7(812)956-42-86(mobile) +7(812)428-67-09(office) e-mail: sasha@oktetlabs.ru From stoffj@taec.toshiba.com Mon Nov 21 07:40:23 2005 Received: from mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (mailhost.taec.com [209.243.128.33]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jALFeFZa025762 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:40:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18/xYO4FHzpkfd7PAeI7tvQgPpl7SWMEiY@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com [209.243.166.44]) by mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jALFe2jF013312; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:40:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stoffj@localhost) by sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id jALFe1Qv028309; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:40:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17281.59984.873620.705214@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:40:00 -0500 From: "John Stoffel" To: Phil Dibowitz Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? In-Reply-To: <437E6602.3040607@ticketmaster.com> References: <20051118232941.GA13954@atalanta.it.anl.gov> <437E6602.3040607@ticketmaster.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: Brian Sebby , users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:40:23 -0000 >>>>> "Phil" == Phil Dibowitz writes: Phil> Brian Sebby wrote: >> Well, I'm probably a "young whippersnapper", but I really like conserver >> and we still use it extensively. I didn't sign up for the class since I >> have our infrastructure up and running. Our biggest change, though, is >> that our newest machines are now using Sun's ALOM hardware, which doesn't >> really work with conserver. But as long as we have legacy systems, we'll >> have conserver around. Phil> Why not? The big thing I've run into on the Sun V210 boxes is that you can't send a anymore from conserver. You need to break into the ALOM, then send the break. I sent an email a few weeks ago about it, but got deafening silence in reply. John From sommerfeld@sun.com Mon Nov 21 07:58:12 2005 Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jALFw5jj025882 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastmail2bur.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.13.40]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jALFw1D7008111 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:58:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost.East.Sun.COM (dhcp-unyc10-65-221.East.Sun.COM [129.154.65.221]) by eastmail2bur.East.Sun.COM (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id jALFvxWc017606 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.East.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.East.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALFvfd1001890; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from sommerfeld@localhost) by localhost.East.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.4/Submit) id jALFvXnq001889; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:57:33 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.East.Sun.COM: sommerfeld set sender to sommerfeld@sun.com using -f Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? From: Bill Sommerfeld To: John Stoffel In-Reply-To: <17281.59984.873620.705214@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> References: <20051118232941.GA13954@atalanta.it.anl.gov> <437E6602.3040607@ticketmaster.com> <17281.59984.873620.705214@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1132588652.836.137.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.324 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:57:33 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: Brian Sebby , users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:58:13 -0000 On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 10:40, John Stoffel wrote: > The big thing I've run into on the Sun V210 boxes is that you can't > send a anymore from conserver. You need to break into the > ALOM, then send the break. I sent an email a few weeks ago about it, > but got deafening silence in reply. I must have missed it. Are you using the serial port or are you using the ALOM as a one-port terminal server? We're using the latter. The original ALOM firmware didn't pass through a telnet break as a console break, but there's a newer version of the ALOM firmware available which will pass through a telnet BREAK. - Bill From stoffj@taec.toshiba.com Mon Nov 21 08:17:59 2005 Received: from mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (mailhost.taec.com [209.243.128.33]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jALGHqrW026139 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+ncDwQqUs4riYmOtQRzeucZv2b9sM//K0@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com [209.243.166.44]) by mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jALGHmjF014142; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stoffj@localhost) by sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id jALGHlZv028733; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:17:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17281.62251.686768.841279@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:17:47 -0500 From: "John Stoffel" To: Bill Sommerfeld Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? In-Reply-To: <1132588652.836.137.camel@localhost> References: <20051118232941.GA13954@atalanta.it.anl.gov> <437E6602.3040607@ticketmaster.com> <17281.59984.873620.705214@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> <1132588652.836.137.camel@localhost> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com, Brian Sebby X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:18:00 -0000 Bill> Are you using the serial port or are you using the ALOM as a Bill> one-port terminal server? I'm using the ALOM port at the hookin from my Avocent CPS16, which is controlled by conserver. I just get: [halt sent] BREAK Requested - Access Denied When I try to send a break. I need to do '#.' to get to the sc> prompt where I can do a 'break -y' and the 'console' to get back to the PROM level, etc. Bill> We're using the latter. The original ALOM firmware didn't pass Bill> through a telnet break as a console break, but there's a newer Bill> version of the ALOM firmware available which will pass through a Bill> telnet BREAK. Cool. Do you know which firmware this is? sc> showsc Advanced Lights Out Manager v1.5.1 Does this make sense? John From bryan@stansell.org Mon Nov 21 08:24:55 2005 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jALGOt5Q026233 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:24:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jALGOtvK026232 for users@conserver.com; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:24:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:24:55 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Subject: ALOM break sequences (was Re: LISA 2005 attendees?) Message-ID: <20051121162455.GA26179@underdog.stansell.org> References: <20051118232941.GA13954@atalanta.it.anl.gov> <437E6602.3040607@ticketmaster.com> <17281.59984.873620.705214@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> <1132588652.836.137.camel@localhost> <17281.62251.686768.841279@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <17281.62251.686768.841279@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:24:56 -0000 On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 11:17:47AM -0500, John Stoffel wrote: > When I try to send a break. I need to do '#.' to get to the sc> > prompt where I can do a 'break -y' and the 'console' to get back to > the PROM level, etc. as a "workaround" (or maybe it's the only answer without the newer firmware), you could use a break sequence of: break N { string "#.\dbreak -y\n\dconsole\n"; } (or somethin' like that...you get the idea) Bryan From sommerfeld@sun.com Mon Nov 21 08:34:05 2005 Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jALGXv8U026350 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:34:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastmail2bur.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.13.40]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jALGXv3F006999 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:33:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost.East.Sun.COM (dhcp-unyc10-65-221.East.Sun.COM [129.154.65.221]) by eastmail2bur.East.Sun.COM (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id jALGXuWc002525 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:33:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.East.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.East.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALGXdpc001991; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:33:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from sommerfeld@localhost) by localhost.East.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.4/Submit) id jALGXcNo001990; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:33:38 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.East.Sun.COM: sommerfeld set sender to sommerfeld@sun.com using -f Subject: ALOM (BREAK Requested - Access Denied) (Was: LISA 2005 attendees?) From: Bill Sommerfeld To: John Stoffel In-Reply-To: <17281.62251.686768.841279@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> References: <20051118232941.GA13954@atalanta.it.anl.gov> <437E6602.3040607@ticketmaster.com> <17281.59984.873620.705214@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> <1132588652.836.137.camel@localhost> <17281.62251.686768.841279@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1132590817.836.179.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.324 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:33:37 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: Brian Sebby , users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:34:06 -0000 On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 11:17, John Stoffel wrote: > I'm using the ALOM port at the hookin from my Avocent CPS16, which is > controlled by conserver. Just to be sure we're talking about the same thing: You've got a serial cable between the Avocent and the port marked SERIAL MGT on the back of the V210, and nothing plugged into the NET MGT port? Unfortunately, my V210's are a few hundred miles away from me at the moment and I have them all hooked up through the NET MGT port. (they arrived when we were short on terminal server ports, so using the ALOM as a one-port TS made a lot of sense at the time...) > I just get: > > [halt sent] > > BREAK Requested - Access Denied > > When I try to send a break. I need to do '#.' to get to the sc> > prompt where I can do a 'break -y' and the 'console' to get back to > the PROM level, etc. I have not seen that, but I've only really used the NET MGT connection. Different accounts on the ALOM can have different permissions and I belive sending a break can be denied to an ALOM account. Did you explicitly log in or are you just using the default login you get on the serial port? > sc> showsc > Advanced Lights Out Manager v1.5.1 That's actually newer than the bits I'm currently running (1.4). - Bill From stoffj@taec.toshiba.com Mon Nov 21 08:40:57 2005 Received: from mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (mailhost.taec.toshiba.com [209.243.128.33]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jALGeo5F026439 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:40:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+RZDgYG0dpSfgKjt+jnrfndWKREh41Zxs@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com [209.243.166.44]) by mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jALGejjF014674; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:40:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stoffj@localhost) by sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id jALGei2l029001; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:40:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17281.63628.478714.736959@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:40:44 -0500 From: "John Stoffel" To: Bill Sommerfeld Subject: Re: ALOM (BREAK Requested - Access Denied) (Was: LISA 2005 attendees?) In-Reply-To: <1132590817.836.179.camel@localhost> References: <20051118232941.GA13954@atalanta.it.anl.gov> <437E6602.3040607@ticketmaster.com> <17281.59984.873620.705214@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> <1132588652.836.137.camel@localhost> <17281.62251.686768.841279@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> <1132590817.836.179.camel@localhost> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com, Brian Sebby X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:40:58 -0000 Bill> You've got a serial cable between the Avocent and the port Bill> marked SERIAL MGT on the back of the V210, and nothing plugged Bill> into the NET MGT port? Correct. Bill> Unfortunately, my V210's are a few hundred miles away from me at Bill> the moment and I have them all hooked up through the NET MGT Bill> port. (they arrived when we were short on terminal server Bill> ports, so using the ALOM as a one-port TS made a lot of sense at Bill> the time...) >> I just get: >> >> [halt sent] >> >> BREAK Requested - Access Denied >> >> When I try to send a break. I need to do '#.' to get to the sc> >> prompt where I can do a 'break -y' and the 'console' to get back to >> the PROM level, etc. Bill> I have not seen that, but I've only really used the NET MGT Bill> connection. How well do you find that the NetMGT stuff works? We're short on IPs (sorta) so it makes more sense for us to use serial ports to manage these boxes. Bill> Different accounts on the ALOM can have different permissions Bill> and I belive sending a break can be denied to an ALOM account. Bill> Did you explicitly log in or are you just using the default Bill> login you get on the serial port? I'm using the default login, and since it only seems to be 'admin' with full privs: sc> usershow Username Permissions Password admin cuar Assigned Bill> That's actually newer than the bits I'm currently running (1.4). Ok, maybe things have changed since then. And maybe I've got it setup that it thinks it's got the network management port setup properly. Not sure... John From stoffj@taec.toshiba.com Mon Nov 21 12:22:14 2005 Received: from mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (mailhost.taec.com [209.243.128.33]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jALKLnXr000331; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19kUDmyYxCB+O/6qehYlWlHlGYRKCEVVVo@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com [209.243.166.44]) by mailhost.taec.toshiba.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jALJ29jF018411; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stoffj@localhost) by sekrit.taec.toshiba.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id jALJ259a030505; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:02:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17282.6573.534295.734013@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:02:05 -0500 From: "John Stoffel" To: Bryan Stansell Subject: Re: ALOM break sequences (was Re: LISA 2005 attendees?) In-Reply-To: <20051121162455.GA26179@underdog.stansell.org> References: <20051118232941.GA13954@atalanta.it.anl.gov> <437E6602.3040607@ticketmaster.com> <17281.59984.873620.705214@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> <1132588652.836.137.camel@localhost> <17281.62251.686768.841279@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> <20051121162455.GA26179@underdog.stansell.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:22:15 -0000 >>>>> "Bryan" == Bryan Stansell writes: Bryan> as a "workaround" (or maybe it's the only answer without the Bryan> newer firmware), you could use a break sequence of: Bryan> break N { string "#.\dbreak -y\n\dconsole\n"; } Duh... I didn't even think of that, and I even tried using the various flavors of break commands pre-defined. Duh. We do need a BOF at lisa... :] From Adam.Morris@providence.org Mon Nov 21 13:00:03 2005 Received: from phsornt422.or.providence.org (phsor-nat2.providence.org [170.220.2.14]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jALKxsQd000624 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:00:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by phsornt422.or.providence.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:10:37 -0800 X-KryptiqSpooler: Handled Received: from wn0404.or.providence.org ([10.240.80.132]) by phsornt422.or.providence.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:10:36 -0800 Received: from wn0206.or.providence.org ([10.240.80.41]) by wn0404.or.providence.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:10:36 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: LISA 2005 attendees? Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:10:36 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LISA 2005 attendees? Thread-Index: AcXtQfX5SUzxysSmS+qAGR/s2/pAFQBe9iQQ From: "Morris, Adam" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2005 17:10:36.0690 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D839720:01C5EEBE] X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id jALKxsQd000624 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:00:04 -0000 Greetings, The Hardware Management Console (HMC) from IBM uses Ethernet on the Power5 but on the Power4 machines used a serial connection... AND the network connection for some activities. Dynamic LPAR doesn't work on Power4 without a network connection between the HMC and the LPAR. Unfortunately if you are partitioning then you need to use the HMC so you don't have a serial console. The Power4 HMC disabled the serial console as well, and you were in the same boat. At least the HMC provides the ability for multiple users to use different consoles simultaneously. Adam -----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com]On Behalf Of Adams, Russell L. Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 11:45 AM To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? I wonder if its anything like IBM's new POWER5 systems. They use an ethernet connection now for management versus serial console, though serial console may still be an option on standalone nonLPARed systems. Russell On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 05:38:42PM -0600, Phil Dibowitz wrote: > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users > > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:40:54 -0600 > Subject: > > > Brian Sebby wrote: > > Well, I'm probably a "young whippersnapper", but I really like conserver > > and we still use it extensively. I didn't sign up for the class since I > > have our infrastructure up and running. Our biggest change, though, is > > that our newest machines are now using Sun's ALOM hardware, which doesn't > > really work with conserver. But as long as we have legacy systems, we'll > > have conserver around. > > Why not? > > -- > Phil Dibowitz > P: 310-360-2330 C: 213-923-5115 > Unix Admin, Ticketmaster.com _______________________________________________ users mailing list users@conserver.com https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users DISCLAIMER: This message is intended for the sole use of the addressee, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose, or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete this message. From bryan@stansell.org Mon Nov 21 13:54:45 2005 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jALLsjEg001103 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:54:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jALLsjh4001102 for users@conserver.com; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:54:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:54:44 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: conserver uses 99% CPU Message-ID: <20051121215444.GA363@underdog.stansell.org> References: <20051121104535.GU7906@oktetlabs.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051121104535.GU7906@oktetlabs.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:54:46 -0000 On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 01:45:35PM +0300, Alexandra N. Kossovsky wrote: > After using home-made library, conserver sometimes runs with 99% CPU. is there any way you can reliably reproduce this? this sounds similar to another issue i've heard of (but can't reproduce) - sometimes i wonder if it's something with a particular linux kernel or gcc version. also, is it a single conserver process that uses all the cpu, or do all processes spike to maximum? > Please note, that home-made library sometimes fails to close > connection to conserver propely, but server should not behave in such a way > if a client failed to do the things properly. that should be ok. the server is *supposed* to handle that. but perhaps there is a bug somewhere. > home-made library is very simple: it connects, sends "^Ec;", logs all > incoming data, tries to send "^Ec.", closes the socket. > I'm ready to provide any necessary information. if you can provide a way to reproduce this, that would be best. aside from that, if you run conserver with the -DDD flag, you'll get a ton of output that will hopefully shed some light on what's going on when it fails (but you'll need to get it to fail). that's where i'd like to start...feel free to email me directly, and we can post any findings (like a patch if we find the bug) to the list. Bryan From RLAdams@Kelsey-Seybold.com Mon Nov 21 14:06:41 2005 Received: from KS119IS01SMTP2.ksnet.com (ks119is01smtp2.ksnet.com [162.121.247.12]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jALM6Xwk001216 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:06:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from pingu.ksnet.com ([129.100.4.20]) by KS119IS01SMTP2.ksnet.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:06:30 -0600 Received: by pingu.ksnet.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:06:30 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:06:30 -0600 From: "Adams, Russell L." To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? Message-ID: <20051121220630.GJ438@pingu.ksnet.com> Mail-Followup-To: users@conserver.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-imss-version: 2.034 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:99.90000 C:2 M:3 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:1 C:1 M:1 S:1 R:1 (0.0000 0.0000) X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:06:42 -0000 Actually, if I recall correctly there was a portion of IBM's HMC software that uses conserver. ;] Russell On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 09:10:36AM -0800, Morris, Adam wrote: > Greetings, > The Hardware Management Console (HMC) from IBM uses Ethernet on the Power5 but on the Power4 machines used a serial connection... AND the network connection for some activities. Dynamic LPAR doesn't work on Power4 without a network connection between the HMC and the LPAR. > Unfortunately if you are partitioning then you need to use the HMC so you don't have a serial console. The Power4 HMC disabled the serial console as well, and you were in the same boat. At least the HMC provides the ability for multiple users to use different consoles simultaneously. > Adam > > > -----Original Message----- > From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com]On > Behalf Of Adams, Russell L. > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 11:45 AM > To: users@conserver.com > Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees? > > > I wonder if its anything like IBM's new POWER5 systems. They use an > ethernet connection now for management versus serial console, though > serial console may still be an option on standalone nonLPARed systems. > > Russell > > On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 05:38:42PM -0600, Phil Dibowitz wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > > users mailing list > > users@conserver.com > > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:40:54 -0600 > > Subject: > > > > > > > Brian Sebby wrote: > > > Well, I'm probably a "young whippersnapper", but I really like conserver > > > and we still use it extensively. I didn't sign up for the class since I > > > have our infrastructure up and running. Our biggest change, though, is > > > that our newest machines are now using Sun's ALOM hardware, which doesn't > > > really work with conserver. But as long as we have legacy systems, we'll > > > have conserver around. > > > > Why not? > > > > -- > > Phil Dibowitz > > P: 310-360-2330 C: 213-923-5115 > > Unix Admin, Ticketmaster.com > > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users > > > DISCLAIMER: > This message is intended for the sole use of the addressee, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose, or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete this message. > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users From cpz@tuunq.com Mon Nov 21 14:07:38 2005 Received: from mail.tuunq.com (64-142-29-64.dsl.static.sonic.net [64.142.29.64]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jALM7Vjo001242 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.tuunq.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id 71FC77AE; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:07:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: conserver uses 99% CPU In-Reply-To: <20051121104535.GU7906@oktetlabs.ru> from "Alexandra N. Kossovsky" at "Nov 21, 2005 01:45:35 pm" To: "Alexandra N. Kossovsky" Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:07:29 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051121220730.71FC77AE@mail.tuunq.com> From: cpz@tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig) X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:07:39 -0000 Come to think of it, I've also seen conserver using 99% CPU (v8.1.0). Since I've never been able to pin it on anything, I just kill/restart the server. z! From sommerfeld@sun.com Tue Nov 22 01:11:37 2005 Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAM9BToT009029 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:11:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastmail2bur.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.13.40]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jALHC5D7019986 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:12:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost.East.Sun.COM (dhcp-unyc10-65-221.East.Sun.COM [129.154.65.221]) by eastmail2bur.East.Sun.COM (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id jALHC4Wc018168 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.East.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.East.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALHBlPj002057; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from sommerfeld@localhost) by localhost.East.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.4/Submit) id jALHBlUP002056; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:11:47 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.East.Sun.COM: sommerfeld set sender to sommerfeld@sun.com using -f Subject: Re: ALOM (BREAK Requested - Access Denied) (Was: LISA 2005 attendees?) From: Bill Sommerfeld To: John Stoffel In-Reply-To: <17281.63628.478714.736959@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> References: <20051118232941.GA13954@atalanta.it.anl.gov> <437E6602.3040607@ticketmaster.com> <17281.59984.873620.705214@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> <1132588652.836.137.camel@localhost> <17281.62251.686768.841279@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> <1132590817.836.179.camel@localhost> <17281.63628.478714.736959@sekrit.taec.toshiba.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1132593106.836.266.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.324 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:11:47 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: Brian Sebby , users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:11:37 -0000 On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 11:40, John Stoffel wrote: > How well do you find that the NetMGT stuff works? Well enough that I usually don't notice it in between conserver and the host. > We're short on IPs (sorta) so it makes more sense for us to use serial > ports to manage these boxes. Fair enough; given that ALOM still hasn't been taught to speak ssh I'd advise putting it on a segregated MGT network where that's often less of a concern. (I'm wondering if the people who put the labels on the hardware were aware of the exploits of the Midget in the "Illuminatus!" books. but I digress). > Bill> That's actually newer than the bits I'm currently running (1.4). > > Ok, maybe things have changed since then. And maybe I've got it setup > that it thinks it's got the network management port setup properly. > Not sure... I'll take another look at this next week when I get back into the same building as these critters. - Bill From baaden@smplinux.de Wed Nov 23 05:17:08 2005 Received: from apex.ibpc.fr (apex.ibpc.fr [193.49.234.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jANDH0b7004624 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:17:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from baaden.galaxy.ibpc.fr (serv-1B2A.galaxy.ibpc.fr [193.49.27.42]) by apex.ibpc.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANDGxmS028928 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:16:59 +0100 Message-Id: <200511231316.jANDGxmS028928@apex.ibpc.fr> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.0 06/18/2004 (debian 1:2.7.0-4) with nmh-1.1 To: users@conserver.com Subject: serial device forwarding with conserver ? X-image-url: http://crypt.u-strasbg.fr/marc/m-baaden.gif X-url: X-Face: -Nz&SN]%I8g9WFR#/!fe9se!_G_OndNloj@t+6jrGsoZ"z)?an0n P!Nls~*o?u7fy:]1N|^^(KX*uE>Nk{bHaCJ)(hXF~E#5)j.k0n4hgfIzpmn,[VY'\7X:; VOZ\CItIq G!2f8,k2`VLrkXQ:<.3LxEQ'E-;d:A)V# Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:16:58 +0100 From: Marc Baaden X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 43846BCB.000 on apex : j-chkmail score : X : 0/50 1 X-Miltered: at apex with ID 43846BCB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:17:09 -0000 Hi, I am currently trying to make a (serial) device on one machine available to a second machine and have started to play with conserver for this. I can connect to the serial port in question via console. Now what I'd like to do is create a local device from this, some kind of /dev/ttyS0_over_conserver Is this possible ? And how would one go about ? (The point is that I want to use a software program that accesses the device and I need to tell it via an environment variable where to find it, usually something a la /dev/ttyS0) Thanks in advance, Marc Baaden -- Dr. Marc Baaden - Institut de Biologie Physico-Chimique, Paris mailto:baaden@smplinux.de - http://www.baaden.ibpc.fr FAX: +33 15841 5026 - Tel: +33 15841 5176 ou +33 609 843217 From cpz@tuunq.com Wed Nov 23 11:48:27 2005 Received: from mail.tuunq.com (64-142-29-64.dsl.static.sonic.net [64.142.29.64]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jANJmKXk007075 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:48:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.tuunq.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id 2F8217AE; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:48:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: serial device forwarding with conserver ? In-Reply-To: <200511231316.jANDGxmS028928@apex.ibpc.fr> from Marc Baaden at "Nov 23, 2005 02:16:58 pm" To: Marc Baaden Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:48:18 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051123194818.2F8217AE@mail.tuunq.com> From: cpz@tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig) X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:48:28 -0000 In a flurry of recycled electrons, Marc Baaden wrote: > I am currently trying to make a (serial) device on one machine available to a > second machine and have started to play with conserver for this. I can connect > to the serial port in question via console. > Now what I'd like to do is create a local device from this, some kind of > /dev/ttyS0_over_conserver > > Is this possible ? > And how would one go about ? It depends.... If the software really wants a serial port, then nothing else will do (for instance, if it tries to set speed/parity/etc). If all you need is a device to open, you might try creating a named pipe and a program to read from the pipe and write to a process running console. A short tcl script should do that handily. Note in this that you don't have any control over opening/closing the console connection because you can't see whether the other side of the pipe is open. (I'm sure someone will correct me on this.) z! From bryan@stansell.org Wed Nov 23 12:25:40 2005 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jANKPdWu007419 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:25:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jANKPdo1007418 for users@conserver.com; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:25:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:25:39 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: serial device forwarding with conserver ? Message-ID: <20051123202539.GE363@underdog.stansell.org> References: <200511231316.jANDGxmS028928@apex.ibpc.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200511231316.jANDGxmS028928@apex.ibpc.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:25:40 -0000 conserver probably won't help you. there are programs like ser2net and sredird that will take a serial port and allow you to access it over a tcp connection, which sounds opposite of what you'd like. somewhere in the back of my mind i remember seeing a package that takes a tcp connection (to a terminal server or whatever) and presents it as a local serial port. that's what you want. i can't, for the life of me, find any reference to it, though. i do remember terminal server vendors providing such behavior (local serial ports that access their term servers) - maybe that's what's confusing me. and, then again, it would probably have to be a kernel module...which isn't triggering any memories either. if you don't need it to act like a real serial port, you might be able to hack something together like carl suggests. Bryan From baaden@smplinux.de Wed Nov 23 14:51:44 2005 Received: from apex.ibpc.fr (apex.ibpc.fr [193.49.234.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jANMpZSB008171 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:51:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from baaden.galaxy.ibpc.fr (serv-1B2A.galaxy.ibpc.fr [193.49.27.42]) by apex.ibpc.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANMpYCE029901 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:51:34 +0100 Message-Id: <200511232251.jANMpYCE029901@apex.ibpc.fr> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.0 06/18/2004 (debian 1:2.7.0-4) with nmh-1.1 To: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: serial device forwarding with conserver ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:48:18 PST." <20051123194818.2F8217AE@mail.tuunq.com> X-image-url: http://crypt.u-strasbg.fr/marc/m-baaden.gif X-url: X-face: -Nz&SN]%I8g9WFR#/!fe9se!_G_OndNloj@t+6jrGsoZ"z)?an0n P!Nls~*o?u7fy:]1N|^^(KX*uE>Nk{bHaCJ)(hXF~E#5)j.k0n4hgfIzpmn,[VY'\7X:; VOZ\CItIq G!2f8,k2`VLrkXQ:<.3LxEQ'E-;d:A)V# Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:51:33 +0100 From: Marc Baaden X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 4384F276.000 on apex : j-chkmail score : X : 0/50 1 X-Miltered: at apex with ID 4384F276.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:51:45 -0000 Hi, thanks for all your suggestions. corrigan@KiNETWORKS.com said: >> If a /dev/pts type interface work for you, let me know and I can provide >> further details I think this would work. I would be interested in trying. bryan@conserver.com said: >> [..] i remember seeing a package that takes a tcp connection (to a terminal >> server or whatever) and presents it as a local serial port. that's what you >> want. [..] Yes, I think that's right. I found something that does work (not as nicely and swiftly as conserver, but for my occasional use it might be sufficient). The package is called bidilink [1]. For my case this leads to a command: bidilink "exec:ssh server bidilink tty:/dev/ttyS0" pty:TempDevice It works, but is a little slower than on the local machine (I had thought that FastEthernet should be sufficient for a smooth connection of a 9600 baud device .. ?) An additional point is that I want to serve /dev/ttyS0 from a linux box to a Macintosh and there seem to be slight differences (eg no /dev/ptmx on the mac). cpz@tuunq.com said: >> If all you need is a device to open, you might try creating a named pipe and >> a program to read from the pipe and write to a process running console. I did wonder whether a named pipe would work. Couldn't one connect the console process directly to the pipe via some shell magic ? Many thanks, Marc [1] http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/bidilink/ -- Dr. Marc Baaden - Institut de Biologie Physico-Chimique, Paris mailto:baaden@smplinux.de - http://www.baaden.ibpc.fr FAX: +33 15841 5026 - Tel: +33 15841 5176 ou +33 609 843217 From paul.waleski@oracle.com Mon Nov 28 16:11:18 2005 Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com (rgminet01.oracle.com [148.87.122.30]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAT0BABl008585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:11:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.50]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id jAT0B9LC023763 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:11:09 -0700 Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id jAT0B89j020761 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:11:08 -0700 Received: from [130.35.13.79] (pervert3.us.oracle.com [130.35.13.79]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id jAT0B829020748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:11:08 -0700 Message-ID: <438B9C9F.6060805@oracle.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:11:11 -0800 From: Paul Waleski User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: users@conserver.com Subject: Controlling a client session with Perl/Expect Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:11:19 -0000 I'm trying to get a Perl script (with the Expect module installed) to control a session with the client. The username/password interaction works but everything after that (the escaped control key sequences) seem to disappear into the bit bucket. I've looked at the users Archive back to July 2002 but didn't see anything that would help. What am I doing wrong? Is there some config parameter that I've missed? Conserver is running on Solaris 8. Conserver version 7.2.2; I know, it's old, really old, and I've requested that it be upgraded to the latest version. Will that fix my problem? Perl version 5.6.1, Expect version 1.15 The Perl/Expect environment appears to work. I've been able to control FTP sessions with it. In trying to control a console session, the Perl/Expect script times out waiting for the "[ Enter '^EC?' for help ]" string after the username/password has been exchanged. I also tried using Perl/Telnet to do the same thing from a remote system and had a similar problem, the username/password part works but Telnet times out waiting for the "[ Enter '^EC?' for help ]" string. I turned on the Telnet logging to see what was going and the string shows up in the log but Telnet never responds to it. Or maybe there is a better way to programmatically control a client session without using Perl? Any suggestions, ideas, help is greatly appreciated. -- Paul.Waleski@Oracle.com Office:(650)506-2376 Fax:(650)506-7406 Programmer Analyst - Server Technologies IT Oracle Corporation 500 Oracle Parkway M/S 2op3 Redwood Shores, California 94065 From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Mon Nov 28 16:20:14 2005 Received: from www.linuxiceberg.com (66-23-224-81.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.224.81]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAT0K6Ij008672 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] ([192.168.1.115]) by www.linuxiceberg.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAT0MgT05820; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:22:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Controlling a client session with Perl/Expect From: Christopher Fowler To: Paul Waleski In-Reply-To: <438B9C9F.6060805@oracle.com> References: <438B9C9F.6060805@oracle.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:20:00 -0500 Message-Id: <1133223600.29145.71.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:20:14 -0000 You need to use Expect with my Console.pm On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 16:11 -0800, Paul Waleski wrote: > > From Zonker.Harris@bigbandnet.com Mon Nov 28 16:34:06 2005 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod8og10.obsmtp.com [64.18.3.228]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAT0Xske008764 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from source ([12.162.23.196]) by exprod8ob10.postini.com ([64.18.7.12]) with SMTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:33:54 PST X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Controlling a client session with Perl/Expect Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:33:53 -0800 Message-ID: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35D0E@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Controlling a client session with Perl/Expect Thread-Index: AcX0etir/YNnQVQAQEyjM/G4AvcGVAAAZoRQ From: "Zonker Harris" To: "Christopher Fowler" , "Paul Waleski" X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id jAT0Xske008764 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:34:07 -0000 Do tell...more info, please. (URL, man page? :-) -Z- -----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com]On Behalf Of Christopher Fowler Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:20 PM To: Paul Waleski Cc: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Controlling a client session with Perl/Expect You need to use Expect with my Console.pm From cpz@tuunq.com Mon Nov 28 16:40:57 2005 Received: from mail.tuunq.com (64-142-29-64.dsl.static.sonic.net [64.142.29.64]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAT0eppP008838 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:40:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.tuunq.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id 23B0C7AE; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:40:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Controlling a client session with Perl/Expect In-Reply-To: <01467BEB528BFF4086CC27464B4C8BCCF35D0E@CA1BBN01.bigbandnet.com> from Zonker Harris at "Nov 28, 2005 04:33:53 pm" To: Zonker Harris Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:40:49 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051129004050.23B0C7AE@mail.tuunq.com> From: cpz@tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig) X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: Christopher Fowler , users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:40:58 -0000 In a flurry of recycled electrons, Zonker Harris wrote: > Do tell...more info, please. (URL, man page? :-) Or you could forget about perl and just use expect with tcl :-). That works quite well. (I've never heard of anyone actually using expect/perl. Pretty much everyone I've met uses tcl. OTOH, if it works for you, go for it.) z! From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Mon Nov 28 17:20:48 2005 Received: from www.linuxiceberg.com (66-23-224-81.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.224.81]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAT1Kfui009461 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] ([192.168.1.115]) by www.linuxiceberg.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAT1NDT05825; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:23:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Controlling a client session with Perl/Expect From: Christopher Fowler To: Carl Zwanzig In-Reply-To: <20051129004050.23B0C7AE@mail.tuunq.com> References: <20051129004050.23B0C7AE@mail.tuunq.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:20:30 -0500 Message-Id: <1133227231.29145.73.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com, Zonker Harris X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:20:51 -0000 On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 16:40 -0800, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > (I've never heard of anyone actually using expect/perl. Pretty much > everyone I've met uses tcl. OTOH, if it works for you, go for it.) I use Expect/Perl every week. I have agents that interact with modems and remote devices over modems using Expect/Perl. It works great! From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Mon Nov 28 17:31:32 2005 Received: from www.linuxiceberg.com (66-23-224-81.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.224.81]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAT1VOrf009543 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:31:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] ([192.168.1.115]) by www.linuxiceberg.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAT1Y1T05833; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:34:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Controlling a client session with Perl/Expect From: Christopher Fowler To: Paul Waleski In-Reply-To: <438BAD59.90802@oracle.com> References: <438B9C9F.6060805@oracle.com> <1133223600.29145.71.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> <438BAD59.90802@oracle.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-jrr4N7Ie0oFncQTsA2GQ" Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:31:19 -0500 Message-Id: <1133227879.29145.86.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-7) X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:31:32 -0000 --=-jrr4N7Ie0oFncQTsA2GQ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 17:22 -0800, Paul Waleski wrote: > I'll need to know where to get this module and any documemtation. You'll have to write your own. This is a module we hacked out for internal use. I've attached it and if you want to make enhancements please do so and return. It works great. my $con = Console->new('192.168.1.120', 'console', 'root', 'password'); $con->connect(); my $socket = $con->getConnection(); Give expect the file handle and you're done! I've sent this to the list because all can benefit and it is "free" code. Just share all you do so all can enjoy the better code. I've not had time to include more OOP type error handling. This was a quick hack that we use to connect and do testing for our devices attached to our console servers. > > Christopher Fowler wrote: > > >You need to use Expect with my Console.pm > > > >On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 16:11 -0800, Paul Waleski wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > --=-jrr4N7Ie0oFncQTsA2GQ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=Console.pm Content-Type: application/x-perl; name=Console.pm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit package Console; use IO::Socket; use strict; # Commands my $CMD_LOGIN = "c;"; my $CMD_SPY = "cs"; my $CMD_FRW = "cf"; my $CMD_REPLAYALL = "cR"; sub new { shift; my ($v1, $v2, $v3, $v4, $v5) = @_; ($v5 = "consoles/$v1/$v2") if not $v5; my $con = { "server" => $v1, "console" => $v2, "user" => $v3, "password" => $v4, "logfilename" => $v5, "sock" => undef, "logfile" => undef, }; bless $con, 'Console'; # Tag object with pkg name return $con; # Return object } sub promote { #... } sub getUser { my $con = shift; return $con->{'user'}; } sub setLogFileName { my $con = shift; $con->{'logfilename'} = $_[0]; return; } sub getServer { my $con = shift; return $con->{'server'}; } sub getName { my $con = shift; return $con->{'console'}; } sub isConnected { my $con = shift; $con->{sock} ; } sub getSocket { my $con = shift; $con->{sock} ; } sub getLogFile { my $con = shift; if($con->{logfile}) { return $con->{logfile}; } else { return undef; } } sub stream { return; } # # Implement enough of the portcommander protocol # to attach to the required console (or die trying), # return the live socket. # sub connect { my $con = shift; my $SERVER = $con->{'server'}; my $CONSOLE = $con->{'console'}; my $USER = $con->{'user'}; my $PASS = $con->{'password'}; # # Create the socket to the main server # We'll recoeve a port number then connect to secondary # server for console data # my $sock = new IO::Socket::INET (PeerAddr => $SERVER, PeerPort => 782, Proto => 'tcp',) or return undef; # We do not want buffered output to socket $sock->autoflush(); ($_ = <$sock>) ; return undef unless /ok/ ; # Specify console name print $sock "call:$CONSOLE\n"; # Only valid reply is a port number, # stick that in $1. ($_ = <$sock>); return undef unless /^(\d+)/ ; close($sock); $sock = new IO::Socket::INET (PeerAddr => $SERVER, PeerPort => $1, Proto => 'tcp',) or return undef; $sock->autoflush(); setsockopt($sock, SOL_SOCKET, SO_KEEPALIVE, 1); ($_ = <$sock>) ; return unless /ok/ ; # tell server we wish to log in print $sock $CMD_LOGIN; # TODO: test reply. ($_ = <$sock>) ; # specify user name print $sock "$USER\n"; ($_ = <$sock>) ; if (/^host:/) { print $sock "$CONSOLE\n"; #TODO #validate we are connected #to the console ($_ = <$sock>) ; } if (/^passwd:/) { print $sock "$PASS\n"; ($_ = <$sock>) ; return undef if (/Sorry/) ; } # At this point we are connected. We # now want to convert ourselves to "spy" mode print $sock $CMD_SPY; # TODO: test reply. ($_ = <$sock>) ; $con->{'sock'} = $sock; } sub forceReadWrite { my $con = shift; print {$con->{'sock'}} $CMD_FRW; return; } sub closeSocket { my $con = shift; close($con->{'sock'}) if $con->{'sock'}; $con->{'sock'} = undef; return; } sub closeLogFile { my $con = shift; close($con->{'logfile'}) if $con->{'logfile'}; return; } sub openLogFile { my $con = shift; if(!$con->{logfilename}) { return undef; } open($con->{logfile}, ">>".$con->{logfilename}) or return undef; } sub dumpInfo { my $con = shift; printf("%s\@%s %s/%s %s -> %s\n", $con->{console}, $con->{server}, $con->{user}, $con->{password}, $con->{sock} ? "connected" : "not connected", $con->{logfilename}); return; } return 1; --=-jrr4N7Ie0oFncQTsA2GQ-- From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Mon Nov 28 17:46:44 2005 Received: from www.linuxiceberg.com (66-23-224-81.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.224.81]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAT1kXZq009679 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] ([192.168.1.115]) by www.linuxiceberg.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAT1nAT05842; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:49:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Controlling a client session with Perl/Expect From: Christopher Fowler To: Paul Waleski In-Reply-To: <1133227879.29145.86.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> References: <438B9C9F.6060805@oracle.com> <1133223600.29145.71.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> <438BAD59.90802@oracle.com> <1133227879.29145.86.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:46:28 -0500 Message-Id: <1133228788.29145.94.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:46:45 -0000 On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 20:31 -0500, Christopher Fowler wrote: > You'll have to write your own. I meant documentation.. Not code. The code is free :) Who has time to write documentation. From sailnit@speakeasy.net Tue Nov 29 08:48:29 2005 Received: from mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.29]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jATGmMlD022027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:48:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10310 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 16:48:22 -0000 Received: from shell4.sea5.speakeasy.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([69.17.116.5]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 29 Nov 2005 16:48:21 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:48:03 -0800 Subject: Re: Controlling a client session with Perl/Expect From: Scott Armstrong To: Carl Zwanzig Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Controlling a client session with Perl/Expect Thread-Index: AcX1BKn06IHhkGD3EdqVswAKldudFA== In-Reply-To: <20051129004050.23B0C7AE@mail.tuunq.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:48:33 -0000 On 11/28/05 4:40 PM, "Carl Zwanzig" wrote: > (I've never heard of anyone actually using expect/perl. Pretty much > everyone I've met uses tcl. OTOH, if it works for you, go for it.) I run several high volume manufacturing lines with conserver and expect. Works great. Scott(A) From zonker@jeffk.com Wed Nov 30 20:57:57 2005 Received: from westernweb.com (rdns.162.240.218.216.fre.communitycolo.net [216.218.240.162]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jB14vnJX008463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:57:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from zonker by westernweb.com with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EhgCw-0004f7-Nz; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:38:10 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:38:10 -0800 From: "David K. Z. Harris" To: users@conserver.com Subject: Conserver/Consoles BoF at LISA 05? Message-ID: <20051201043810.GA17135@jeffk.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Sender: "David K. Z. Harris" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: zonker@jeffk.com X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: Zonker at BigBand X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 04:57:58 -0000 I know that the idea has been suggested before, but I'll stir the bucket again here... Looking at the LISA 05 BoF page (http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa05/bofs.html) I see that Wednesday has a Lantronix vendor BoF (in teh "Ascot" room) at 7-8p, and a Raritan vendor BoF in the "Garden Salon" Wed from 8-9p. I'd suggest anyone there (who is on *this* list ;-) to consider going to both of these sessions. The may have the marketing types presenting, or they may have some clueful tech folks there...ASK YOUR QUESTIONS! Don't let them off the hook if you don't like the answer. All of the vendors want your business, so it's in *your* interest, as well as theirs, for you to tell them what you want to buy, what you want from their products. And don't just think about their BoF! Go to the vendors room, and see if you can find clueful tech folks. There will be a few useful vendors, (Logical Solutions (booth 18), Lantronix (26), Raritan (23), Avocent (29), Carlo Gavazzi (28), Cyclades (4), Digi (16), Server Technology (56)), so you can get on mailing lists, and ask about integration with power control, utilities/facilities to help upgrade your Console Servers, and ask for the features that you want to see. Thursday also has a good BoF session, in the Garden Salon, by Brent Chapman, 8p, about automating network configuration and management. I missed his recent presentation at BayLISA here, because I was working on my slides, and I was sure I'd get a chance to hear him at LISA...you know what they say about the best laid plans of mice. ;-) Their are also still a few rooms open, if folks want to set up a BoF for Console Services in general, or Conserver specifically. Does anyone want to take the lead on this? (If you *DO*, make sure you let the vendors clueful folks know about it. As long as it isn't a vendor demo, there won't be a 'sponsorship fee' assessed by USENIX.) Again, this would be a good chance to discuss what YOU want to see these products do. (As a reminder, reverse-TCP was a feature added late in the game to the Terminal Server devices, and it was added as a customer-need feature request.) Most of the programmers don't really know all the ways we want to use this gear, so help them out...give the clueful reps some ideas, let them take the ideas home, and see what they bring to the marketplace! I will not be able to attend. The main issue is the time-off needed, because I slated vacation time long before the boss though about the end-of-year crush that would be coming. When I cancelled my plans originally, he wass relieved. (I did get an offer of help from one CS vendor, but it was not to be. I'm sorry that I can't come set up a BoF myself. But, I could probably be on IRC or Yahoo Chat for an event, if one gets organized. Keep me in the loop! :-) As a follow-up, it seems like there would have been more interest in some half-day tutorials instead of the learn-it-all full-day session. I know for next time, and I've already got a good start on four sessions. Thanks for your interest and feedback. Regards, -Z- http://www.conserver.com/consoles/