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Tue, 22 Mar 2005 04:22:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from askew.ucns.uga.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by askew.ucns.uga.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2MCM51t018132 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:22:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (nathan@localhost) by askew.ucns.uga.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id j2MCM5E8018128 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:22:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: askew.ucns.uga.edu: nathan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:22:05 -0500 (EST) From: "nathan r. hruby" X-X-Sender: nathan@askew.ucns.uga.edu To: users@conserver.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:22:14 -0000 Howdy! Clearly my brain is not functioning at normal speed this morning. I should be able to figure this out (in fact, at sometime in the past, I have..). Could someone be so kind (please!) as to share their .cf break definition for "Ctrl-Alt-Delete" or any other method for forcibly rebooting a x86 machine? Thanks, -n -- ------------------------------------------- nathan hruby uga enterprise information technology services production systems support metaphysically wrinkle-free ------------------------------------------- From hf@spg.tu-darmstadt.de Tue Mar 22 04:54:11 2005 Received: from bounce.nt.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (bounce.nt.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.197.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j2MCs1bK007013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 04:54:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.83.186.53] (blech.nt.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.186.53]) by bounce.nt.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2MCrp91028548; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:53:57 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hf@bounce.nt.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:48:05 +0100 To: "nathan r. hruby" From: Hauke Fath Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:54:12 -0000 Am 22.03.2005 um 7:22 Uhr -0500 schrieb nathan r. hruby: >Could someone be so kind (please!) as to share their .cf break definition >for "Ctrl-Alt-Delete" or any other method for forcibly rebooting a x86 >machine? This is a WAG, but... I wouldn't expect ctrl-alt-del to have any special meaning on a serial console. If that is enabled, you could use a BREAK to get into the kernel debugger and reboot from there? hauke -- /~\ The ASCII Ribbon Campaign Hauke Fath \ / No HTML/RTF in email Institut für Nachrichtentechnik X No Word docs in email TU Darmstadt / \ Respect for open standards Ruf +49-6151-16-3281 From nhruby@uga.edu Tue Mar 22 05:11:19 2005 Received: from askew.ucns.uga.edu (askew.ucns.uga.edu [128.192.6.44]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j2MDBBpo007306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from askew.ucns.uga.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by askew.ucns.uga.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2MDBAMb019585; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:11:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (nathan@localhost) by askew.ucns.uga.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id j2MDBANS019581; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:11:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: askew.ucns.uga.edu: nathan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:11:10 -0500 (EST) From: "nathan r. hruby" X-X-Sender: nathan@askew.ucns.uga.edu To: Hauke Fath In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:11:19 -0000 On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, Hauke Fath wrote: > Am 22.03.2005 um 7:22 Uhr -0500 schrieb nathan r. hruby: >> Could someone be so kind (please!) as to share their .cf break definition >> for "Ctrl-Alt-Delete" or any other method for forcibly rebooting a x86 >> machine? > > This is a WAG, but... I wouldn't expect ctrl-alt-del to have any special > meaning on a serial console. > > If that is enabled, you could use a BREAK to get into the kernel debugger and > reboot from there? > This is a serial console, sadly, there is no kernel :) I just unpacked a machine, hooked it up and discovered it has some ish with its drives. So I'm hoping to use Ctrl-Alt-Del to reboot it remotely a few times while I wander through the various BIOS bits for the RAID controller and junk. Hmm... -n -- ------------------------------------------- nathan hruby uga enterprise information technology services production systems support metaphysically wrinkle-free ------------------------------------------- From hf@spg.tu-darmstadt.de Tue Mar 22 05:28:06 2005 Received: from bounce.nt.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (bounce.nt.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.197.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j2MDRvi7007422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.83.186.53] (blech.nt.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.186.53]) by bounce.nt.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2MDRsR8006417; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:27:55 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hf@bounce.nt.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:27:52 +0100 To: "nathan r. hruby" From: Hauke Fath Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:28:07 -0000 Am 22.03.2005 um 8:11 Uhr -0500 schrieb nathan r. hruby: >This is a serial console, sadly, there is no kernel :) Ah... >I just unpacked a machine, hooked it up and discovered it has some ish >with its drives. So I'm hoping to use Ctrl-Alt-Del to reboot it remotely >a few times while I wander through the various BIOS bits for the RAID >controller and junk. Another WAG - can you set up ctrl-alt-del as a break sequence? [Looking through conserver.cf(5) myself - no, nothing obvious.] And - since the peecee most likely maps serial i/o to a keyboard and MDA adapter - does its documentation say anything about how it maps ctrl-alt-del? hauke -- /~\ The ASCII Ribbon Campaign Hauke Fath \ / No HTML/RTF in email Institut für Nachrichtentechnik X No Word docs in email TU Darmstadt / \ Respect for open standards Ruf +49-6151-16-3281 From Zonker.Harris@bigbandnet.com Tue Mar 22 08:39:25 2005 Received: from inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com ([12.162.23.196]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j2MGdH62008607; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:39:22 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:40:19 -0800 Message-ID: <2C84084C165E7B409F9294D2B2DECC8701D83B67@inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del Thread-Index: AcUu44MVScU5TnF4Qu64toZItalJJQAGJixg From: "Zonker Harris" To: "Hauke Fath" , "nathan r. hruby" X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id j2MGdH62008607 Cc: users@conserver.com, consoles@conserver.com Subject: RE: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:39:26 -0000 There *are* a few BIOS makers who have incorporated some console redirection to the console...but I cannot name them today. (HP? Compaq? Award? Version(s)?) The main downside was when the BIOS handed over the Power-On Self-Test to 'smart' drive and network adapters, which would then write directly to the screen again, versus reporting through the BIOS. I haven't heard of BIOS makers watching for BREAK when they are in this console-redirection mode. It may not have been intuitive, since most of these "Lights-Out Management" BIOS hacks *ALL* seem to presume that you're attaching a modem to the port (requiring DCD to be invoked, before the port will talk/listen), so they may have actively decided to IGNORE a BREAK signal on the data leads, so that a modem reset wouldn't crash the box. (This is my own supposition, based on limited experiences. I don't have access to a PC with BIOS that supports this feature.) Finally, just a reminder about the PC Weasel card, for managing PCs at that kind of level *without* special BIOS. (http://www.realweasel.com/) While pricey, it lets you use a serial console to fuss with BIOS settings, logically 'press the reset button', and will also capture the screen output of most 'smart' controllers. If you haven't looked into these cards, you should at least check out the website, and try the demo. (I have no affiliation, but I like the implementation! :-) -Z- http://www.conserver.com/consoles/ -----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com]On Behalf Of Hauke Fath Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:28 AM To: nathan r. hruby Cc: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del Am 22.03.2005 um 8:11 Uhr -0500 schrieb nathan r. hruby: >This is a serial console, sadly, there is no kernel :) Ah... >I just unpacked a machine, hooked it up and discovered it has some ish >with its drives. So I'm hoping to use Ctrl-Alt-Del to reboot it remotely >a few times while I wander through the various BIOS bits for the RAID >controller and junk. Another WAG - can you set up ctrl-alt-del as a break sequence? [Looking through conserver.cf(5) myself - no, nothing obvious.] And - since the peecee most likely maps serial i/o to a keyboard and MDA adapter - does its documentation say anything about how it maps ctrl-alt-del? hauke From cpz@tuunq.com Tue Mar 22 09:05:13 2005 Received: from mail.tuunq.com (64-142-29-64.dsl.static.sonic.net [64.142.29.64]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j2MH554L008822; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:05:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.tuunq.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id E3C677AE; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:05:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2C84084C165E7B409F9294D2B2DECC8701D83B67@inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com> from Zonker Harris at "Mar 22, 2005 08:40:19 am" To: Zonker Harris Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:05:03 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050322170503.E3C677AE@mail.tuunq.com> From: cpz@tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig) X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: consoles@conserver.com, users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:05:14 -0000 In a flurry of recycled electrons, Zonker Harris wrote: > There *are* a few BIOS makers who have incorporated > some console redirection to the console...but I cannot > name them today. (HP? Compaq? Award? Version(s)?) The code exists in the Phoenix source, but is not enabled bu default. Some hardware vendors will enable it, but not all. I don't know about Award. > The main downside was when the BIOS handed over the > Power-On Self-Test to 'smart' drive and network adapters, > which would then write directly to the screen again, > versus reporting through the BIOS. Again, speaking only of Phoenix, that bios scrapes the video text memory and pushs that out the serial port, so it does get all the option rom output. The downside is it doesn't do any optimizations, you get repeated 80x25 frames and a heavy data stream w/o flow control. > I haven't heard of BIOS makers watching for BREAK when > they are in this console-redirection mode. It may not have AFAIK, a few may do this, but *surprise* you need to enable it in the bios. ObRant: and most of the screens say things like "press f1 to enter bios" and claim a vt-100 emulation. A vt-100 doesn't -have- an f1. They mean pf1. And, of course, it all depends on which key mapping and emulator you're using. But do they tell you what character sequenve they expect? -Nooo- It's buried 4 levels deep in the source. In x86 asm. z! From sommerfeld@sun.com Tue Mar 22 09:01:31 2005 Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j2MH1NUo008756; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:01:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastmail1bur.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.9.49]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j2MH1EX8011091; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:01:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from thunk (thunk.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.66]) by eastmail1bur.East.Sun.COM (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id j2MH1DQp015074; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from thunk.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thunk (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MH1DXL010757; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from sommerfeld@localhost) by thunk.east.sun.com (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3/Submit) id j2MH1Dla010756; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:01:13 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: thunk.east.sun.com: sommerfeld set sender to sommerfeld@sun.com using -f From: Bill Sommerfeld To: Zonker Harris In-Reply-To: <2C84084C165E7B409F9294D2B2DECC8701D83B67@inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com> References: <2C84084C165E7B409F9294D2B2DECC8701D83B67@inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1111510872.10516.103.camel@thunk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.309 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:01:12 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:22:43 -0800 Cc: consoles@conserver.com, users@conserver.com Subject: RE: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:01:32 -0000 On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 11:40, Zonker Harris wrote: > Finally, just a reminder about the PC Weasel card, for > managing PCs at that kind of level *without* special BIOS. > (http://www.realweasel.com/) While pricey, it lets you > use a serial console to fuss with BIOS settings, logically > 'press the reset button', and will also capture the screen > output of most 'smart' controllers. If you haven't looked > into these cards, you should at least check out the website, > and try the demo. (I have no affiliation, but I like the > implementation! :-) I'm a happy (individual) customer of the original ISA PC-Weasel. Going forward, it looks like Intel is pushing the use of IPMI to do this sort of thing. (including "Serial over LAN"). See http://www.intel.com/design/servers/ipmi/ disclaimer: I haven't reviewed the IPMI specs in detail and in particular I have not personally reviewed its security model.. (speaking for myself alone) - Bill From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Tue Mar 22 12:00:07 2005 Received: from linux.linxdev.com (66-23-224-81.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.224.81]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j2MJxx9l009911; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linux.linxdev.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B3CD9F64; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:59:59 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Fowler To: Bill Sommerfeld In-Reply-To: <1111510872.10516.103.camel@thunk> References: <2C84084C165E7B409F9294D2B2DECC8701D83B67@inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com> <1111510872.10516.103.camel@thunk> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: OutPost Sentinel, LLC Message-Id: <1111521598.16281.150.camel@linux.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:59:58 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com, consoles@conserver.com, Zonker Harris Subject: RE: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cfowler@outpostsentinel.com List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:00:08 -0000 I have one of these PC's that do BIOS redirection but it really is only good for bootup. Even Linux and Windows will use the video card at bootup. I did notice on Windows XP that in redirection mode I saw the loading bar but then after that I saw nothing else. On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 12:01, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 11:40, Zonker Harris wrote: > > Finally, just a reminder about the PC Weasel card, for > > managing PCs at that kind of level *without* special BIOS. > > (http://www.realweasel.com/) While pricey, it lets you > > use a serial console to fuss with BIOS settings, logically > > 'press the reset button', and will also capture the screen > > output of most 'smart' controllers. If you haven't looked > > into these cards, you should at least check out the website, > > and try the demo. (I have no affiliation, but I like the > > implementation! :-) > > I'm a happy (individual) customer of the original ISA PC-Weasel. > > Going forward, it looks like Intel is pushing the use of IPMI to do this > sort of thing. (including "Serial over LAN"). See > http://www.intel.com/design/servers/ipmi/ > > disclaimer: I haven't reviewed the IPMI specs in detail and in > particular I have not personally reviewed its security model.. > > (speaking for myself alone) > > - Bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users From Zonker.Harris@bigbandnet.com Tue Mar 22 12:24:16 2005 Received: from inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com ([12.162.23.196]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j2MKO3wG010071; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:24:13 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:25:20 -0800 Message-ID: <2C84084C165E7B409F9294D2B2DECC8701D83B6B@inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del Thread-Index: AcUvFRmfCzrOLHxXT8ud9q/PNdOI3AABrocg From: "Zonker Harris" To: "Bill Sommerfeld" X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id j2MKO3wG010071 Cc: users@conserver.com, consoles@conserver.com Subject: RE: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del (Rackable Systems) X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:24:17 -0000 Lest I forget, I also wanted to point out the Remote Management options offered by Rackable Systems... http://www.rackable.com/products/remotemngmt.htm (Check out the Flash-driven demo...) They have an interface that piggy-backs on one of the COM ports, provides the ability to power the unit *on*, *off*, or cycle the power off-on, and also reset the unit. (It gets power from the PS when the server is off...) There is also some environmental monitoring built into the unit, but it can also support external probes as well. The unit has an LED that can be commanded, as well as an LCD panel that you can send a message to (for on-site staff to read) using the console interface. When the system boots, if the OS console is redirected to that COM port, it is passed through as well. It's a very cool tool, built into the servers, so you don't need to use one of the rare card slots on a 1-RU server. If you're looking for new hardware, consider these as an option to buying a cheaper server plus the PC Weasel card. The PC Weasel can work in most servers, and it uses short cables from the Weasel card to the KBD and Mouse ports for commanding BIOS and etc., while Rackable's Lights Out features are only available on some of their servers. -Z- -----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com]On Behalf Of Bill Sommerfeld Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:01 AM To: Zonker Harris Cc: consoles@conserver.com; users@conserver.com Subject: RE: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 11:40, Zonker Harris wrote: > Finally, just a reminder about the PC Weasel card, for > managing PCs at that kind of level *without* special BIOS. > (http://www.realweasel.com/) While pricey, it lets you > use a serial console to fuss with BIOS settings, logically > 'press the reset button', and will also capture the screen > output of most 'smart' controllers. If you haven't looked > into these cards, you should at least check out the website, > and try the demo. (I have no affiliation, but I like the > implementation! :-) I'm a happy (individual) customer of the original ISA PC-Weasel. Going forward, it looks like Intel is pushing the use of IPMI to do this sort of thing. (including "Serial over LAN"). See http://www.intel.com/design/servers/ipmi/ disclaimer: I haven't reviewed the IPMI specs in detail and in particular I have not personally reviewed its security model.. (speaking for myself alone) - Bill From nhruby@uga.edu Tue Mar 22 12:32:10 2005 Received: from askew.ucns.uga.edu (askew.ucns.uga.edu [128.192.6.44]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j2MKW3bl010191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from askew.ucns.uga.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by askew.ucns.uga.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2MKW1vv000361; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:32:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (nathan@localhost) by askew.ucns.uga.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id j2MKW16O000357; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:32:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: askew.ucns.uga.edu: nathan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:32:01 -0500 (EST) From: "nathan r. hruby" X-X-Sender: nathan@askew.ucns.uga.edu To: Zonker Harris In-Reply-To: <2C84084C165E7B409F9294D2B2DECC8701D83B67@inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com> Message-ID: References: <2C84084C165E7B409F9294D2B2DECC8701D83B67@inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.755 () BAYES_00,NO_EXPERIENCE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com Subject: RE: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:32:11 -0000 Huh.. I seem to have caused a ruckus! Sorry! Comments inline.. On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, Zonker Harris wrote: > There *are* a few BIOS makers who have incorporated > some console redirection to the console...but I cannot > name them today. (HP? Compaq? Award? Version(s)?) > Dell and HP/Compaq do, we have both. This machine in question is actually a HP DL360 G4. The first thing I do with these machines is: - Boot with head from crash-cart - Disable Menus in BIOS - Enable Serial Console redirection - Power off - Connect serial console - Disconnect crash cart - Reboot >From there about the only time I touch that machine is to replace disks. This machine also has iLo, we just tend to not use it because we need real serial consoles for the Sun gear and burning yet another IP/port/cable run on management stuff I rarely use seems silly, especially when I have a staffed data center and serial consoles already. > The main downside was when the BIOS handed over the > Power-On Self-Test to 'smart' drive and network adapters, > which would then write directly to the screen again, > versus reporting through the BIOS. > The recent HP/Compaq gear we've gotten is very very nice. You can see and interact with all of the BIOS, RAID, PXE, and SCSI loaders. It's about as close one can get to a console. The older Dell gear we have has no Serial redirection. The semi-newer Dell gear we have does this ok, but it's a little fussy. We're EOL'ing our Dell gear, so the newer IMPI based machines (x8yy series ) I have no experience with. > I haven't heard of BIOS makers watching for BREAK when > they are in this console-redirection mode. It may not have > been intuitive, since most of these "Lights-Out Management" > BIOS hacks *ALL* seem to presume that you're attaching > a modem to the port (requiring DCD to be invoked, before > the port will talk/listen), so they may have actively > decided to IGNORE a BREAK signal on the data leads, so > that a modem reset wouldn't crash the box. (This is my > own supposition, based on limited experiences. I don't > have access to a PC with BIOS that supports this feature.) > I tested this on a lark. BREAK doesn't seem to do anything. > Finally, just a reminder about the PC Weasel card, for > managing PCs at that kind of level *without* special BIOS. > (http://www.realweasel.com/) While pricey, it lets you > use a serial console to fuss with BIOS settings, logically > 'press the reset button', and will also capture the screen > output of most 'smart' controllers. If you haven't looked > into these cards, you should at least check out the website, > and try the demo. (I have no affiliation, but I like the > implementation! :-) > The serial console does this already, and iLo (and RiLoE if you want the extra stuff) handles the rest should you choose to use it. I finally got the machine working, evidently the Raid controller backplane was loose. Reseated it and it's happy once again Thanks all! -n -- ------------------------------------------- nathan hruby uga enterprise information technology services production systems support metaphysically wrinkle-free ------------------------------------------- From trevor@fiatal.net Tue Mar 22 12:36:30 2005 Received: from mx0.seven.com (mx0.seven.com [209.19.68.12]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j2MKaMZH010299; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:36:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from sarcasm.fiatal.net (c-24-6-0-102.client.comcast.net [24.6.0.102]) by mx0.seven.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CFE8A20; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.30.27] ([209.19.98.166]) by sarcasm.fiatal.net with ESMTP id <20050322203632.AKO10861.sarcasm@[209.19.98.166]>; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:36:32 -0800 Message-ID: <424081BF.5020904@fiatal.net> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:36:15 -0800 From: Trevor Fiatal User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zonker Harris References: <2C84084C165E7B409F9294D2B2DECC8701D83B6B@inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com> In-Reply-To: <2C84084C165E7B409F9294D2B2DECC8701D83B6B@inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: consoles@conserver.com, users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del (Rackable Systems) X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:36:30 -0000 As long as we're on the topic... I have been favorably impressed by Sun's V20z and V40z servers, which incorporate a Linux/PowerPC management subsystem capable of doing console redirection and power-cycling. The mgmt unit has an internal 3-port etherswitch-on-a-chip, with 2 of the ports exposed as RJ45's on the back panel. This enables you to daisy-chain a whole stack of these guys to just two ethernet drops -- the servers at each end of the daisy-chain get connected to the patch panel. Oh, and the serial-port redirection software used by the mgmt unit? It's a modified variant of Conserver. :) -T. Zonker Harris wrote: > Lest I forget, I also wanted to point out the Remote > Management options offered by Rackable Systems... > > http://www.rackable.com/products/remotemngmt.htm > (Check out the Flash-driven demo...) > > They have an interface that piggy-backs on one of > the COM ports, provides the ability to power the unit > *on*, *off*, or cycle the power off-on, and also reset > the unit. (It gets power from the PS when the server > is off...) There is also some environmental monitoring > built into the unit, but it can also support external > probes as well. The unit has an LED that can be commanded, > as well as an LCD panel that you can send a message to > (for on-site staff to read) using the console interface. > When the system boots, if the OS console is redirected > to that COM port, it is passed through as well. > > It's a very cool tool, built into the servers, so you > don't need to use one of the rare card slots on a 1-RU > server. If you're looking for new hardware, consider > these as an option to buying a cheaper server plus the > PC Weasel card. > > The PC Weasel can work in most servers, and it uses > short cables from the Weasel card to the KBD and Mouse > ports for commanding BIOS and etc., while Rackable's > Lights Out features are only available on some of their > servers. > > -Z- -- Trevor Fiatal -- trevor@fiatal.net 650.862.3715 (mobile) From jcagle@gmail.com Tue Mar 22 14:24:48 2005 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j2MMObQj010924 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:24:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so1603118rne for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:24:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=d6iXkh+ZrSPA1VCzpbfOQ0ZJfodY3vFVwSKgNyTjXTiMwZUXOzxv8Od7EIuHFVP1dpzVMI0gaQw7wDv31X61xt8YzkJ+dNj/5Aw07LIktx46/S36MpJDONAYSqPVLgGdtz2PcWZdE3SQsLX+m4Uyt8ed/by41gDnihFs2EtqdZs= Received: by 10.38.9.54 with SMTP id 54mr10644rni; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.90.11 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:24:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6863f0c905032214241755751@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:24:36 -0600 From: jmc To: "nathan r. hruby" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <2C84084C165E7B409F9294D2B2DECC8701D83B67@inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com> X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com, Zonker Harris Subject: Re: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jmc List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:24:49 -0000 On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:32:01 -0500 (EST), nathan r. hruby wrote: > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, Zonker Harris wrote: > > There *are* a few BIOS makers who have incorporated > > some console redirection to the console...but I cannot > > name them today. (HP? Compaq? Award? Version(s)?) > > Dell and HP/Compaq do, we have both. This machine in question is > actually a HP DL360 G4. The first thing I do with these machines is: > - Boot with head from crash-cart > - Disable Menus in BIOS > - Enable Serial Console redirection > - Power off > - Connect serial console > - Disconnect crash cart > - Reboot > > >From there about the only time I touch that machine is to replace disks. > > This machine also has iLo, we just tend to not use it because we need real > serial consoles for the Sun gear and burning yet another IP/port/cable run > on management stuff I rarely use seems silly, especially when I have a > staffed data center and serial consoles already. iLO on the DL360G4 has some really nice features, even if you're just using a serial console. You can (through iLO's ROM Configuration menu) enable iLO Serial CLI on the serial port. Then type ESC-Shift-9 on the serial console to get an iLO CLI> prompt. From there, you can power on & off, and also enable/disable the blue UID LED. There's another key that disconnects you from the iLO CLI. iLO for the DL360G4 can also be configured to "piggy-back" the main NIC port, so that it doesn't require an additional switch port. It would still use its own MAC address, however, and would attempt to DHCP its own IP address. iLO also supports SSH if you're paranoid about security. iLO also has a Virtual Serial Port capability, that can "hijack" your COM1 interface and provide access to it over the LAN (so you don't need a terminal server). One nice side-effect is that it runs *really* fast -- you're not limited to any actual BAUD rate -- it runs as fast as the LAN can carry the traffic. The iLO Virtual Serial Port connections can then be managed by conserver, using either Telnet or SSH connections to each server. > > The main downside was when the BIOS handed over the > > Power-On Self-Test to 'smart' drive and network adapters, > > which would then write directly to the screen again, > > versus reporting through the BIOS. > > The recent HP/Compaq gear we've gotten is very very nice. You can see and > interact with all of the BIOS, RAID, PXE, and SCSI loaders. It's about as > close one can get to a console. > > The older Dell gear we have has no Serial redirection. The semi-newer > Dell gear we have does this ok, but it's a little fussy. We're EOL'ing > our Dell gear, so the newer IMPI based machines (x8yy series ) I have no > experience with. > > > I haven't heard of BIOS makers watching for BREAK when > > they are in this console-redirection mode. It may not have > > been intuitive, since most of these "Lights-Out Management" > > BIOS hacks *ALL* seem to presume that you're attaching > > a modem to the port (requiring DCD to be invoked, before > > the port will talk/listen), so they may have actively > > decided to IGNORE a BREAK signal on the data leads, so > > that a modem reset wouldn't crash the box. (This is my > > own supposition, based on limited experiences. I don't > > have access to a PC with BIOS that supports this feature.) > > > > I tested this on a lark. BREAK doesn't seem to do anything. I *think* the IPMI standard for Ctrl-Alt-Del is something like: r R r Regards, John From jcagle@gmail.com Tue Mar 22 14:24:54 2005 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j2MMOlQ3010925 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:24:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c16so407rne for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:24:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=d6iXkh+ZrSPA1VCzpbfOQ0ZJfodY3vFVwSKgNyTjXTiMwZUXOzxv8Od7EIuHFVP1dpzVMI0gaQw7wDv31X61xt8YzkJ+dNj/5Aw07LIktx46/S36MpJDONAYSqPVLgGdtz2PcWZdE3SQsLX+m4Uyt8ed/by41gDnihFs2EtqdZs= Received: by 10.38.9.54 with SMTP id 54mr10644rni; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.90.11 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:24:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6863f0c905032214241755751@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:24:36 -0600 From: jmc To: "nathan r. hruby" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <2C84084C165E7B409F9294D2B2DECC8701D83B67@inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com> X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com, Zonker Harris Subject: Re: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jmc List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:24:55 -0000 On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:32:01 -0500 (EST), nathan r. hruby wrote: > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, Zonker Harris wrote: > > There *are* a few BIOS makers who have incorporated > > some console redirection to the console...but I cannot > > name them today. (HP? Compaq? Award? Version(s)?) > > Dell and HP/Compaq do, we have both. This machine in question is > actually a HP DL360 G4. The first thing I do with these machines is: > - Boot with head from crash-cart > - Disable Menus in BIOS > - Enable Serial Console redirection > - Power off > - Connect serial console > - Disconnect crash cart > - Reboot > > >From there about the only time I touch that machine is to replace disks. > > This machine also has iLo, we just tend to not use it because we need real > serial consoles for the Sun gear and burning yet another IP/port/cable run > on management stuff I rarely use seems silly, especially when I have a > staffed data center and serial consoles already. iLO on the DL360G4 has some really nice features, even if you're just using a serial console. You can (through iLO's ROM Configuration menu) enable iLO Serial CLI on the serial port. Then type ESC-Shift-9 on the serial console to get an iLO CLI> prompt. From there, you can power on & off, and also enable/disable the blue UID LED. There's another key that disconnects you from the iLO CLI. iLO for the DL360G4 can also be configured to "piggy-back" the main NIC port, so that it doesn't require an additional switch port. It would still use its own MAC address, however, and would attempt to DHCP its own IP address. iLO also supports SSH if you're paranoid about security. iLO also has a Virtual Serial Port capability, that can "hijack" your COM1 interface and provide access to it over the LAN (so you don't need a terminal server). One nice side-effect is that it runs *really* fast -- you're not limited to any actual BAUD rate -- it runs as fast as the LAN can carry the traffic. The iLO Virtual Serial Port connections can then be managed by conserver, using either Telnet or SSH connections to each server. > > The main downside was when the BIOS handed over the > > Power-On Self-Test to 'smart' drive and network adapters, > > which would then write directly to the screen again, > > versus reporting through the BIOS. > > The recent HP/Compaq gear we've gotten is very very nice. You can see and > interact with all of the BIOS, RAID, PXE, and SCSI loaders. It's about as > close one can get to a console. > > The older Dell gear we have has no Serial redirection. The semi-newer > Dell gear we have does this ok, but it's a little fussy. We're EOL'ing > our Dell gear, so the newer IMPI based machines (x8yy series ) I have no > experience with. > > > I haven't heard of BIOS makers watching for BREAK when > > they are in this console-redirection mode. It may not have > > been intuitive, since most of these "Lights-Out Management" > > BIOS hacks *ALL* seem to presume that you're attaching > > a modem to the port (requiring DCD to be invoked, before > > the port will talk/listen), so they may have actively > > decided to IGNORE a BREAK signal on the data leads, so > > that a modem reset wouldn't crash the box. (This is my > > own supposition, based on limited experiences. I don't > > have access to a PC with BIOS that supports this feature.) > > > > I tested this on a lark. BREAK doesn't seem to do anything. I *think* the IPMI standard for Ctrl-Alt-Del is something like: r R r Regards, John From Perpetua.Killam@rbccm.com Tue Mar 29 12:06:56 2005 Received: from mx2.rbc.com (mx2.rbc.com [142.245.29.139]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j2TK6ngF021276; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:06:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown (HELO nynyafs101.oak.fg.rbc.com) (159.55.100.57) by mx2.rbc.com with ESMTP; 29 Mar 2005 15:06:46 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.91,131,1110171600"; d="scan'208"; a="23717978:sNHT358315570" Received: from sew39005.oak.fg.rbc.com (unverified [159.55.162.33]) by nynyafs101.oak.fg.rbc.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.10) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:06:45 -0500 Received: from SEW39010.oak.fg.rbc.com ([159.55.31.31]) by sew39005.oak.fg.rbc.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC (5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:06:45 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:06:44 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del (Rackable Systems) Thread-Index: AcUvHygAwWdbD5JNTR+RTBa9lVtFtQFe2k8w From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2005 20:06:45.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4F5E5A0:01C5349A] X-Spam-Score: -4.562 () BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id j2TK6ngF021276 Cc: users@conserver.com, consoles@conserver.com Subject: RE: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del (Rackable Systems) X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:06:56 -0000 I don't know if I should ask this or if this is going to make sense to anyone We are having some bizarre outcomes. When we login to client consoles from the console manager(let's call it - consolmgt ) , we were able to go directly to the prompt. Lately, we noticed it goes to the lantronix device prompt for the first time and then the second time around ,goes to the client prompt. Any ideas? Please let me know Thanks, perpetua -----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com] On Behalf Of Trevor Fiatal Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 3:36 PM To: Zonker Harris Cc: consoles@conserver.com; users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Proper Break entry for Ctrl-Alt-Del (Rackable Systems) As long as we're on the topic... I have been favorably impressed by Sun's V20z and V40z servers, which incorporate a Linux/PowerPC management subsystem capable of doing console redirection and power-cycling. The mgmt unit has an internal 3-port etherswitch-on-a-chip, with 2 of the ports exposed as RJ45's on the back panel. This enables you to daisy-chain a whole stack of these guys to just two ethernet drops -- the servers at each end of the daisy-chain get connected to the patch panel. Oh, and the serial-port redirection software used by the mgmt unit? It's a modified variant of Conserver. :) -T. Zonker Harris wrote: > Lest I forget, I also wanted to point out the Remote > Management options offered by Rackable Systems... > > http://www.rackable.com/products/remotemngmt.htm > (Check out the Flash-driven demo...) > > They have an interface that piggy-backs on one of > the COM ports, provides the ability to power the unit > *on*, *off*, or cycle the power off-on, and also reset > the unit. (It gets power from the PS when the server > is off...) There is also some environmental monitoring > built into the unit, but it can also support external > probes as well. The unit has an LED that can be commanded, > as well as an LCD panel that you can send a message to > (for on-site staff to read) using the console interface. > When the system boots, if the OS console is redirected > to that COM port, it is passed through as well. > > It's a very cool tool, built into the servers, so you > don't need to use one of the rare card slots on a 1-RU > server. If you're looking for new hardware, consider > these as an option to buying a cheaper server plus the > PC Weasel card. > > The PC Weasel can work in most servers, and it uses > short cables from the Weasel card to the KBD and Mouse > ports for commanding BIOS and etc., while Rackable's > Lights Out features are only available on some of their > servers. > > -Z- -- Trevor Fiatal -- trevor@fiatal.net 650.862.3715 (mobile) _______________________________________________ users mailing list users@conserver.com https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users -------------------------------- This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courriel est confidentiel et protege. 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