From jarowland@fedex.com Thu Apr 14 15:16:10 2005 Received: from mx11.sac.fedex.com (mx11.sac.fedex.com [199.81.193.118]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3EMFmlo006682 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inet06.prod.fedex.com (inet06.prod.fedex.com [199.81.10.64]) by mx11.sac.fedex.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j3EMFk7U048518 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:15:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jarowland@fedex.com) Received: from netsvr02 (netsvr02.prod.fedex.com [199.81.10.28]) by inet06.prod.fedex.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j3EMFibZ004780 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:15:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ashley ([199.82.226.43]) by emmsvr02.prod.fedex.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with SMTP id <0IEY00DMEJ67LW@emmsvr02.prod.fedex.com> for users@conserver.com; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:15:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:17:05 -0500 From: Ashley Rowland To: users@conserver.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: conserver problem X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:16:10 -0000 I have a problem with the conserver software running in my environment. The conserver software is running on a Solaris 8 server. On most of my hosts I get a line is down error message. I can tip into these hosts, however. I have checked the conserver's file and everything looks ok and when I start the conserver daemon with the -v option, no error message is displayed.. Any help would be greatly appreciated.. Ashley ****************************************** * Ashley Rowland, CNE, CNA, MCP * * Unix Systems Administrator * * System Architecture and Infrastructure Design * * FEDEX Corporation * * arowland@hotmail.com * ashdawg@bellsouth.net * ashley.rowland@gmail.com For all support issues please use the support request system at: http://rt.ecdev.fedex.com/NoAuth/UNIX/ To change your password go to: http://admin.ecdev.fedex.com/cgi-bin/passwd.cgi From sommerfeld@sun.com Thu Apr 14 15:39:40 2005 Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3EMdWQg006810 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastmail2bur.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.13.40]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j3EMdVi7005779; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:39:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 129.148.19.3 (punchin-sommerfeld.East.Sun.COM [129.148.19.3]) by eastmail2bur.East.Sun.COM (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id j3EMd9Op028537; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:39:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Sommerfeld To: Ashley Rowland In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1113518322.20584.1118.camel@unknown.hamachi.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.309 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:38:43 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: conserver problem X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:39:40 -0000 On Thu, 2005-04-14 at 18:17, Ashley Rowland wrote: > On most of my hosts I > get a line is down error message. I can tip into these hosts, however. I > have checked the conserver's file and everything looks ok and when I start > the conserver daemon with the -v option, no error message is displayed.. Any > help would be greatly appreciated.. I'm presuming from this that you're using conserver with local serial ports. What sort of serial device are you using? Can you use truss to monitor conserver as it's attempting to open/reopen the ports? if you use ^c e o to force a reopen of the port, what happens? (FWIW, I'm using conserver as a front end to a motley assortment of networked terminal servers rather than to hardwired serial ports..) - Bill From Zonker.Harris@bigbandnet.com Thu Apr 14 15:51:14 2005 Received: from inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com ([12.162.23.196]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3EMoxPt006908 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:28:48 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Message-ID: <2C84084C165E7B409F9294D2B2DECC8701D83C1B@inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: conserver problem Thread-Index: AcVBQHCspRKtzV5IQ1irEu1MLczKAQAAB4uA From: "Zonker Harris" To: "Ashley Rowland" , X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id j3EMoxPt006908 Cc: Subject: RE: conserver problem X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:51:15 -0000 What is 'in between' the conserver host, and the console ports that you are trying to connect to with Conserver? (That is, is a multi-port serial interface in the Solaris 8 host, or terminal/console servers across the network?) My guess is that you are using some type of multiport interface, since you're using TIP as well. (I believe that if Conserver was successfully getting control of those interfaces, you would not be able to tip to them when Conserver is running...have you tried to do that?) Take a look in your main conserver log (typically /var/log/conserver) and look for any useful info... Also, consider using the debug option when launching Conserver manually. That will give you more verbose info, which may help find the hangup. :-) -Z- -----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com]On Behalf Of Ashley Rowland Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:17 PM To: users@conserver.com Subject: conserver problem I have a problem with the conserver software running in my environment. The conserver software is running on a Solaris 8 server. On most of my hosts I get a line is down error message. I can tip into these hosts, however. I have checked the conserver's file and everything looks ok and when I start the conserver daemon with the -v option, no error message is displayed.. Any help would be greatly appreciated.. Ashley ****************************************** * Ashley Rowland, CNE, CNA, MCP * * Unix Systems Administrator * * System Architecture and Infrastructure Design * * FEDEX Corporation * * arowland@hotmail.com * ashdawg@bellsouth.net * ashley.rowland@gmail.com For all support issues please use the support request system at: http://rt.ecdev.fedex.com/NoAuth/UNIX/ To change your password go to: http://admin.ecdev.fedex.com/cgi-bin/passwd.cgi _______________________________________________ users mailing list users@conserver.com https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users From brodie@mcw.edu Tue Apr 19 11:15:18 2005 Received: from guyton.phys.mcw.edu (guyton.phys.mcw.edu [141.106.188.33]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3JIF9Kw016922 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:15:16 -0700 (PDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5450B.B71863F7" Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:15:06 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Limits to number of monitored servers? thread-index: AcVFC7brr/TPxi8YTnS9noF2V+UxsQ== From: "Brodie, Kent" To: X-Spam-Score: -4.285 () BAYES_00,HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Limits to number of monitored servers? X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:15:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5450B.B71863F7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi. First off, I want to say how pleased I am with conserver. In my previous role in our I.T. department, we had 'consoleworks' which worked great, but it was a bit pricy. I'm in the research wings of our institution now, and funding for our I.T. stuff is always an issue. =20 'conserver' has done very well by us. =20 If anyone is interested, I have it working with Cyclades terminal servers (TS-series), using ssh key-authenticated sessions for the console sessions. I'm available to answer questions on how that works if anyone needs. =20 Now on to my question: Are there any known limitations on the number of monitored systems? Currently, I have conserver monitoring 31 servers across two different terminal servers, and I'm about to connect up another 30 or so. I'm interested to see if anyone has experiences along the lines of very large installations. =20 Thanks, --Kent C. Brodie, MS Medical College of Wisconsin =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5450B.B71863F7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

Hi.  First off, I want to say how pleased I am with conserver.    In my previous role in our I.T. department, we= had ‘consoleworks’ which worked great, but it was a bit pricy.     I’= ;m in the research wings of our institution now, and funding for our I.T. stuff is always an issue.<= o:p>

 

‘conserver’ has done very well by us.

 

If anyone is interested, I have it working with Cyclades terminal servers (TS-series), usi= ng ssh key-authenticated sessions for the console sessions.    = ; I’m available to answer questions on how that works if anyone needs.

 

Now on to my question:   Are there any known l= imitations on the number of monitored systems?   Currently, I have conserver mo= nitoring 31 servers across two different terminal servers, and I’m about to conne= ct up another 30 or so.    I’m interested to see if anyon= e has experiences along the lines of very large installations.

 

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5450B.B71863F7-- From bryan@stansell.org Tue Apr 19 12:24:14 2005 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3JJOEND017314 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j3JJOED9017313 for users@conserver.com; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:24:14 -0700 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Message-ID: <20050419192414.GN7628@underdog.stansell.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Re: Limits to number of monitored servers? X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:24:15 -0000 On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 01:15:06PM -0500, Brodie, Kent wrote: > Now on to my question: Are there any known limitations on the number > of monitored systems? Currently, I have conserver monitoring 31 > servers across two different terminal servers, and I'm about to connect > up another 30 or so. I'm interested to see if anyone has experiences > along the lines of very large installations. the only real limitation is how powerful of a machine you have to run conserver (memory and cpu, mainly). at the company i'm at we have two large (many consoles) conserver hosts (both netra t1s - one with 512 and one with 1gig of ram). conserver is using 140MB of VM for 1152 consoles and 234M of VM for 1314 consoles. now, why the large memory difference? honestly, it's probably because of a bug in the memory management when the server gets a HUP. we use the method of refreshing conserver so that we don't have to restart the servers an bump people off. i might have to try and track down that bug (memory usage per process seems very "off"). hmm...or it's all in the way it handles client connections. but i thought i'd cleaned up that stuff...yeah, it'll take some digging. anyway, there's one particular situation for you. over a thousand consoles on a relatively low-end (these days) machine. startup time isn't great (takes a minute or so, if i remember right), but hey, it only happens once in a blue moon. as long as you have, say 250MB of ram for conserver to use, you can pretty easly handle a thousand consoles. heck, that might even cover the memory usage for any ssh processes, if you're using ssh to connect to terminal servers. hopefully that helps and gives folks some insight into what i, at least, consider a "large" conserver install. i'm sure (i hope?) others out there could beat these numbers, but it's something to use as a guideline. Bryan From Zonker.Harris@bigbandnet.com Tue Apr 19 12:53:32 2005 Received: from inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com ([12.162.23.196]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3JJrQPC017481 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C54519.A481DEA1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:54:48 -0700 Message-ID: <2C84084C165E7B409F9294D2B2DECC8701D83C2A@inc-svc-01.inc.bigbandnet.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Limits to number of monitored servers? Thread-Index: AcVFC7brr/TPxi8YTnS9noF2V+UxsQADUakQ From: "Zonker Harris" To: "Brodie, Kent" X-Spam-Score: -0.095 () BAYES_01,HTML_70_80,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com Subject: RE: Limits to number of monitored servers? X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:53:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------_=_NextPart_001_01C54519.A481DEA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I know of one 'large ISP's "production service"' network,=20 where they used (4) conserver instances (running in distributed=20 mode, in each of 4 data centers), logging for more than 2K ports,=20 across 128 console servers (largely Cisco gear)... =20 In that instance, each Conserver was logging for console servers and ports in the same data center, but the conserver.cf file knew about a four instances, so it would redirect the console clients to the proper server for client sessions. =20 -Z- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C54519.A481DEA1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I know of one 'large ISP's "production service"' network,=20 where they used (4) conserver instances (running in distributed=20 mode, in each of 4 data centers), logging for more than 2K ports,= =20 across 128 console servers (largely=20 Cisco gear)...   In that instance, each Conserver was logging for console=20 servers and ports in the same data center, but the conserver.cf=20 file knew about a four instances, so it would redirect the=20 console clients to the proper server for client sessions.        -Z-

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C54519.A481DEA1-- From bryan@stansell.org Tue Apr 19 13:22:44 2005 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3JKMiUZ017641 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j3JKMiae017640 for users@conserver.com; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:22:44 -0700 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Message-ID: <20050419202244.GO7628@underdog.stansell.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: a little silly fun... X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:22:45 -0000 this is *NOT* a product endorsement in the least. i know nothing about the products on the web page (well, almost nothing...but i don't want to start a product/flame war - i just want to share some fun). i was skimming through sysadmin magazine and saw the ad and "fun with serial console servers" struck a cord (surprise, surprise). i haven't watched all the videos, but the presentation is quite good and i like the circular saw (among others, like the sledgehammer [a classic] and garden leprichan [surprising], oh, i can go on...). hope you all enjoy... http://www.funwithserialconsoleservers.com/ Bryan From trevor@fiatal.net Tue Apr 19 13:34:33 2005 Received: from mx0.seven.com (mx0.seven.com [209.19.68.12]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3JKYQlZ017742; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sarcasm.fiatal.net (c-24-6-110-203.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.110.203]) by mx0.seven.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1724C8A20; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.31.35] ([209.19.98.166]) by sarcasm.fiatal.net with ESMTP id <20050419203445.EYX24128.sarcasm@[209.19.98.166]>; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:34:45 -0700 Message-ID: <42656B4C.8070702@fiatal.net> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:34:20 -0700 From: Trevor Fiatal User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Stansell References: <20050419202244.GO7628@underdog.stansell.org> In-Reply-To: <20050419202244.GO7628@underdog.stansell.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: a little silly fun... X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:34:35 -0000 Bryan Stansell wrote: > this is *NOT* a product endorsement in the least. i know nothing about > the products on the web page (well, almost nothing...but i don't want to > start a product/flame war - i just want to share some fun). i was > skimming through sysadmin magazine and saw the ad and "fun with serial > console servers" struck a cord (surprise, surprise). i haven't watched > all the videos, but the presentation is quite good and i like the > circular saw (among others, like the sledgehammer [a classic] and garden > leprichan [surprising], oh, i can go on...). hope you all enjoy... OK, that was funny as shit. I'm still chuckling after watching those. That, folks, is how you kick off an effective word-of-mouth viral marketing campaign. -T. -- Trevor Fiatal -- trevor@fiatal.net 650.862.3715 (mobile) From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Tue Apr 19 13:38:03 2005 Received: from linux.linxdev.com (66-23-224-81.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.224.81]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3JKbtkA017803; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linux.linxdev.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19558CF609; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:37:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Fowler To: Bryan Stansell In-Reply-To: <20050419202244.GO7628@underdog.stansell.org> References: <20050419202244.GO7628@underdog.stansell.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: OutPost Sentinel, LLC Message-Id: <1113943069.26027.32.camel@linux.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:37:50 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: a little silly fun... X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cfowler@outpostsentinel.com List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:38:04 -0000 My personal belief is that old terminal servers are a wave of the past. Specialized devices that are geared to console management or at least the present and I do not know about the future. Who knows what will happen with legacy RS232. It is becoming hard finding a laptop that even has one and in my line of work (console management servers) I need one. What I do find strange is that not many companies that sell terminal servers branded as console management servers don't take a lesson from Comserver. Even at my days at Computone years ago we acknowledged all the great ideas that Conserver was trying to accomplish. Conserver IMO is the beginnings of some great console management concepts. When we built our product we based it on some of the ideas of Computone's terminal servers. Any terminal server. When we were done we ended up with a device that did console management but would also serve up IBM3151's. Not one single customer of ours has used any feature that was related to a terminal server. They never use tip, Radius, or even Reverse TCP. I think they should rename the site http://www.funwithterminalservers.com On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 16:22, Bryan Stansell wrote: > this is *NOT* a product endorsement in the least. i know nothing about > the products on the web page (well, almost nothing...but i don't want to > start a product/flame war - i just want to share some fun). i was > skimming through sysadmin magazine and saw the ad and "fun with serial > console servers" struck a cord (surprise, surprise). i haven't watched > all the videos, but the presentation is quite good and i like the > circular saw (among others, like the sledgehammer [a classic] and garden > leprichan [surprising], oh, i can go on...). hope you all enjoy... > > http://www.funwithserialconsoleservers.com/ > > Bryan > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Tue Apr 19 13:45:15 2005 Received: from linux.linxdev.com (66-23-224-81.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.224.81]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3JKj895017886; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linux.linxdev.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6429AD91B3; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:45:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Fowler To: Bryan Stansell In-Reply-To: <20050419202244.GO7628@underdog.stansell.org> References: <20050419202244.GO7628@underdog.stansell.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: OutPost Sentinel, LLC Message-Id: <1113943507.26027.42.camel@linux.linxdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:45:07 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: a little silly fun... X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cfowler@outpostsentinel.com List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:45:16 -0000 Do you guys think that pork loin is frozen. It would have to be would it not? What brand of servers is he "busting up"? On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 16:22, Bryan Stansell wrote: > this is *NOT* a product endorsement in the least. i know nothing about > the products on the web page (well, almost nothing...but i don't want to > start a product/flame war - i just want to share some fun). i was > skimming through sysadmin magazine and saw the ad and "fun with serial > console servers" struck a cord (surprise, surprise). i haven't watched > all the videos, but the presentation is quite good and i like the > circular saw (among others, like the sledgehammer [a classic] and garden > leprichan [surprising], oh, i can go on...). hope you all enjoy... > > http://www.funwithserialconsoleservers.com/ > > Bryan > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users From brodie@mcw.edu Tue Apr 19 13:59:31 2005 Received: from guyton.phys.mcw.edu (guyton.phys.mcw.edu [141.106.188.33]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3JKxOGK018010 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:59:29 -0700 (PDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:59:24 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: a little silly fun... thread-index: AcVFIQMPAtmTtKuhRPSHIBsly4DAGAAAYXeQ From: "Brodie, Kent" To: X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id j3JKxOGK018010 Subject: RE: a little silly fun... X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:59:32 -0000 No idea on the brand, and the videos are silly indeed, even if they're ruined by the fake smoke and sparks that are obviously ignited just off camera when he hits the unit..... > -----Original Message----- > From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com] On > Behalf Of Christopher Fowler > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:45 PM > To: Bryan Stansell > Cc: users@conserver.com > Subject: Re: a little silly fun... > > Do you guys think that pork loin is frozen. It would have to be would > it not? > > What brand of servers is he "busting up"? > > On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 16:22, Bryan Stansell wrote: > > this is *NOT* a product endorsement in the least. i know nothing about > > the products on the web page (well, almost nothing...but i don't want to > > start a product/flame war - i just want to share some fun). i was > > skimming through sysadmin magazine and saw the ad and "fun with serial > > console servers" struck a cord (surprise, surprise). i haven't watched > > all the videos, but the presentation is quite good and i like the > > circular saw (among others, like the sledgehammer [a classic] and garden > > leprichan [surprising], oh, i can go on...). hope you all enjoy... > > > > http://www.funwithserialconsoleservers.com/ > > > > Bryan > > _______________________________________________ > > users mailing list > > users@conserver.com > > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users From egan@sense.net Thu Apr 21 18:06:37 2005 Received: from mars.sense.net (sense.net [204.228.135.204]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3M16U4f014139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oberon (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mars.sense.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j3M16Pir021088; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 19:06:29 -0600 From: "Egan Ford" To: "'Brodie, Kent'" , Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 19:06:22 -0600 Organization: Sense/Net Message-ID: <052901c546d7$8239dbb0$f9224109@oberon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_052A_01C546A5.379F6BB0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -4.187 () BAYES_00,HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: Subject: RE: Limits to number of monitored servers? X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: egan@sense.net List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 01:06:38 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------=_NextPart_000_052A_01C546A5.379F6BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I have setup systems with a single conserver as large a 1200 with no problems if using the native conserver telnet support. I have had scaling issues when each console must be managed with a script (e.g. SOL). YMMV. -----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com] On Behalf Of Brodie, Kent Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:15 PM To: users@conserver.com Subject: Limits to number of monitored servers? Hi. First off, I want to say how pleased I am with conserver. In my previous role in our I.T. department, we had 'consoleworks' which worked great, but it was a bit pricy. I'm in the research wings of our institution now, and funding for our I.T. stuff is always an issue. 'conserver' has done very well by us. If anyone is interested, I have it working with Cyclades terminal servers (TS-series), using ssh key-authenticated sessions for the console sessions. I'm available to answer questions on how that works if anyone needs. Now on to my question: Are there any known limitations on the number of monitored systems? Currently, I have conserver monitoring 31 servers across two different terminal servers, and I'm about to connect up another 30 or so. I'm interested to see if anyone has experiences along the lines of very large installations. Thanks, --Kent C. 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------=_NextPart_000_052A_01C546A5.379F6BB0-- From sven@darkman.de Sun Apr 24 09:35:20 2005 Received: from rubicon.darkman.de (rubicon.darkman.de [217.69.161.11]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3OGZCi0027602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rubicon.darkman.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580141A2 for ; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:34:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rubicon.darkman.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rubicon.darkman.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06206-05 for ; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:34:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.151] (dsl-082-083-215-006.arcor-ip.net [82.83.215.6]) by rubicon.darkman.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164481A1 for ; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:34:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <426BCA9A.7070603@darkman.de> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:34:34 +0200 From: "Sven 'Darkman' Michels" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: users@conserver.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 at darkman.de X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: limiting consoles features X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:35:21 -0000 Hi there, i've played with conserver cause i want/need a terminal server like solution for consoles. IMHO conserver is great for that, cause it supports all i need (different baud rates, multiple servers, logging etc.) but one thing is a bit annoying. The exec feature is, at least for me, a security risk. If i want to let someone connect to my server, he usually gets an ssh account with his shell = console call. So after login he immedially will be connected to the console. Now he can use the exec feature to exec "things" on my server which i don't want. So is there a way to disable some features like that (execpt of changeing the source)? Regards, Sven Michels From bryan@stansell.org Sun Apr 24 11:16:19 2005 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3OIGJpD028112 for ; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j3OIGJPV028111 for users@conserver.com; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:16:19 -0700 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Message-ID: <20050424181619.GO7628@underdog.stansell.org> References: <426BCA9A.7070603@darkman.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <426BCA9A.7070603@darkman.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Re: limiting consoles features X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:16:20 -0000 ah...very true. a limited login isn't quote available with that bit of code there. if you can get them to run the console client on a host they should have full access to, then it wouldn't be bad (since the command is run on the client side). but, i do understand your point, and i can see the need for a switch to be able to turn this off. for now, if you remove (or comment out or #if it away or whatever) the case statement on line 3620 of conserver/group.c (the '|' one), you'll disable the feature. the only other bit of diddying up you might want to do is also remove the reference on line 421 of conserver/client.c (the help message). i'll make sure either a run-time or compile-time (or both) switch is put in for the next release to turn this off so things can be more secure. Bryan On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 06:34:34PM +0200, Sven 'Darkman' Michels wrote: > Hi there, > > i've played with conserver cause i want/need a terminal server like > solution for consoles. IMHO conserver is great for that, cause it > supports all i need (different baud rates, multiple servers, logging > etc.) but one thing is a bit annoying. The exec feature is, at least > for me, a security risk. If i want to let someone connect to my server, > he usually gets an ssh account with his shell = console call. So after > login he immedially will be connected to the console. Now he can use > the exec feature to exec "things" on my server which i don't want. > So is there a way to disable some features like that (execpt of > changeing the source)? > > Regards, > Sven Michels > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users From sven@darkman.de Sun Apr 24 11:30:18 2005 Received: from rubicon.darkman.de (rubicon.darkman.de [217.69.161.11]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3OIU8J1028202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rubicon.darkman.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986751B1 for ; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:30:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rubicon.darkman.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rubicon.darkman.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12427-07 for ; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:30:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.151] (dsl-082-083-215-006.arcor-ip.net [82.83.215.6]) by rubicon.darkman.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9421A3 for ; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:30:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <426BE59B.80206@darkman.de> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:29:47 +0200 From: "Sven 'Darkman' Michels" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: users@conserver.com References: <426BCA9A.7070603@darkman.de> <20050424181619.GO7628@underdog.stansell.org> In-Reply-To: <20050424181619.GO7628@underdog.stansell.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 at darkman.de X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Re: limiting consoles features X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:30:18 -0000 Bryan Stansell wrote: > ah...very true. a limited login isn't quote available with that bit of > code there. if you can get them to run the console client on a host > they should have full access to, then it wouldn't be bad (since the > command is run on the client side). Right, but for now i want to build something like a "end user console server", so the user normaly don't need/have access on the box, too. > but, i do understand your point, and i can see the need for a switch to > be able to turn this off. for now, if you remove (or comment out or #if > it away or whatever) the case statement on line 3620 of > conserver/group.c (the '|' one), you'll disable the feature. the only > other bit of diddying up you might want to do is also remove the > reference on line 421 of conserver/client.c (the help message). yeah, that was what i tought of (changeing the code ;) - maybe i will remove other things, too (like the switch of the console, cause we don't use authentication at this level anymore..) - may thanks for the codelines! :) > i'll make sure either a run-time or compile-time (or both) switch is put > in for the next release to turn this off so things can be more secure. What about a switch to disable a few features? so you can call console with -X or so and it won't provide such features then (but you would need a compile option, too, if someone is allowed to spec the console call itself..) Thanks for your reply! With kind regards, Sven From gregb_ka6max@hotmail.com Tue Apr 26 09:59:24 2005 Received: from hotmail.com (bay104-f42.bay104.hotmail.com [65.54.175.52]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3QGxIPs025494 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:59:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.175.200 by by104fd.bay104.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:59:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.175.200] X-Originating-Email: [gregb_ka6max@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gregb_ka6max@hotmail.com From: "Greg Brown" To: users@conserver.com Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:59:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2005 16:59:17.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[48933250:01C54A81] X-Spam-Score: -2.229 () BAYES_00,FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Conserver 7.2.7 using Cyclades terminal servers with SSH X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:59:25 -0000 I have been happily using 7.2.7 for 100+ unix hosts within our data center. Now it will be necessary to support about 20 more machines outside of our building at a customer's data center. The link must be encrypted, and SSH is something that both Cyclades and HP/UX 10.20 have in common. I understand how the reverse-telnet ports work on my existing Conserver and Xyplex terminal server setup. My questions are: 1) How will Conserver connect to each port on a terminal server using SSH? Does all traffic stay on TCP port 22? (There is a firewall between the 2 networks.) I will be glad to Read The Fine Manual, if someone would point out the location of this info. 2) If I decide to upgrade to the current Conserver release, is there a conversion script, or a methodology for converting the existing conserver.cf and conserver.passwd files to the new version? 3) I may decide to bring up a new Conserver host on Linux, Fedora Core 3 or ES4, rather than try upgrade on the current HP/UX 10.20 server, or to find an HP/UX 11.x box, or run it on a Sun Solaris server. Is there anyone out there with strong feelings about which OS is best for Conserver and whether Linux is adequate? (HP/UX 10.20 on 64-bit architecture has been working well for me.) Thanks for any light you can shed on this subject, and thanks to Brian for maintaining the codebase. Greg Brown CSC San Diego Data Center From bryan@stansell.org Tue Apr 26 10:20:33 2005 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3QHKW0t025689 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j3QHKWv3025688 for users@conserver.com; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:20:32 -0700 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Message-ID: <20050426172032.GV7628@underdog.stansell.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Re: Conserver 7.2.7 using Cyclades terminal servers with SSH X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:20:33 -0000 On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 09:59:17AM -0700, Greg Brown wrote: > 1) How will Conserver connect to each port on a terminal server using SSH? > Does all traffic stay on TCP port 22? (There is a firewall between the 2 > networks.) I will be glad to Read The Fine Manual, if someone would point > out the location of this info. conserver can interact via ssh by invoking the ssh command as it's method of talking to the console (instead of creating a direct tcp connection on a port - normally 23). in this case, whatever the ssh command does determines the traffic (so, port 22 by default). > 2) If I decide to upgrade to the current Conserver release, is there a > conversion script, or a methodology for converting the existing > conserver.cf and conserver.passwd files to the new version? yep, there's a conserver/convert program that gets built that you can point at your conserver.cf file. the conserver.passwd file is a little more straighforward and left to you. look for references to 'convert' in the INSTALL file for more details/instructions. there's also a conserver.cf/samples directory with random examples of things i pulled out of my head. those could definately come in handy. > 3) I may decide to bring up a new Conserver host on Linux, Fedora Core 3 or > ES4, rather than try upgrade on the current HP/UX 10.20 server, or to find > an HP/UX 11.x box, or run it on a Sun Solaris server. Is there anyone out > there with strong feelings about which OS is best for Conserver and whether > Linux is adequate? (HP/UX 10.20 on 64-bit architecture has been working > well for me.) i don't have any strong feelings, but i can tell you that i was developing conserver under fedora core (2, at the time) and currently have 3 installed - but haven't done anything with it. all my real development work has been under solaris. personally, i'd go with fedora core over ES4, but that's 'cause i'm cheap. ;-) and i like the features of the latest code, as opposed to the "stable" (ehmmm) system. but, honestly, any system should be fine. just realize you'll have a handful of conserver processes and then N ssh commands (wrapped in a shell), so memory use (and possibly some cpu crunching depending on ssh overhead) will be things to watch out for. Bryan From brodie@mcw.edu Tue Apr 26 10:38:50 2005 Received: from guyton.phys.mcw.edu (guyton.phys.mcw.edu [141.106.188.33]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3QHcfB6025792 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:38:46 -0700 (PDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:38:36 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Conserver 7.2.7 using Cyclades terminal servers with SSH thread-index: AcVKhMcZ4Zx9Ti+5Qc28/CE3QDBYHQAAMsxA From: "Brodie, Kent" To: X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by underdog.stansell.org id j3QHcfB6025792 Subject: RE: Conserver 7.2.7 using Cyclades terminal servers with SSH X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:38:50 -0000 > On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 09:59:17AM -0700, Greg Brown wrote: > > 1) How will Conserver connect to each port on a terminal server using > SSH? > > Does all traffic stay on TCP port 22? (There is a firewall between the > 2 > > networks.) I will be glad to Read The Fine Manual, if someone would > point > > out the location of this info. > > conserver can interact via ssh by invoking the ssh command as it's > method of talking to the console (instead of creating a direct tcp > connection on a port - normally 23). in this case, whatever the ssh > command does determines the traffic (so, port 22 by default). I am successfully doing this; it works well. You need to do the following: a) Create a local user (NOT web user) on the cyclades box. b) Configure the cyclades port(s) in question to use "Socket SSH" c) Using your SSH know-how, create an SSH client key on the console server, and install the public key on the cyclades- in the user directory of the user account. Test this manually......... d) Configure your conserver.cf file to include the ssh command. I have a sample conserver.cf file attached below for reference.... > > 3) I may decide to bring up a new Conserver host on Linux, Fedora Core 3 > or > > ES4, rather than try upgrade on the current HP/UX 10.20 server, or to > find > > an HP/UX 11.x box, or run it on a Sun Solaris server. Is there anyone > out > > there with strong feelings about which OS is best for Conserver and > whether > > Linux is adequate? (HP/UX 10.20 on 64-bit architecture has been working > > well for me.) Similar to Bryan, I don't have any PREFERENCES... but I am successfully using conserver on RHEL 3, but I suspect it would be just fine under Fedora, etc. To me, the biggest issue is the stuff on the server you need to build conserver; Linux comes with all the toys out of the box, other OS's may require adding GCC and so on..... Here's my conserver.cf that does ssh.. I'll probably get bashed for "why aren't you using such-and-such advanced features?!?!?!"... We have two (2) cyclades terminal servers. They're both set up with the same local userid ("conserver"), and the same SSH client key from the console host. I only show a small subset of the actual hosts for clarity.......... # # This is a fairly basic configuration file that interacts with one # terminal server. # # first, we're going to set some generic console defaults so that we # don't have to duplicate them for each console. default * { logfile /var/log/consoles/&; # '&' is replaced with console name timestamp 1hab; # write timestamps rw *; # allow all users master localhost; } ## These are term servers accessed with an ssh command ## local user on these is conserver, they have ssh keys for root ## from this host. # it too uses pattern substitution and such to get the job done default cyclades1 { type exec; host my.cyclades.host.name; exec /usr/bin/ssh -l conserver:P H; execsubst H=hs,P=Pd; portbase 7000; portinc 1; } default cyclades2 { type exec; host my.other.cyclades.host.name; exec /usr/bin/ssh -l conserver:P H; execsubst H=hs,P=Pd; portbase 7000; portinc 1; } # ------- define the consoles on ts1.conserver.com -------- console gray { include cyclades1; port 4; } console fender { include cyclades1; port 5; } console white { include cyclades1; port 6; } console rote { include cyclades1; port 7; } console ntp { include cyclades1; port 8; } console ploto { include cyclades1; port 9; } # console june { include cyclades2; port 25; } console mcnally { include cyclades2; port 24; } console dale { include cyclades2; port 23; } console brock { include cyclades2; port 22; } console coffman { include cyclades2; port 21; } # # set up the an access list to avoid the default # anything *not* matched here will fallback to the default access (-a) # mode access * { trusted 127.0.0.1; } From gregb_ka6max@hotmail.com Tue Apr 26 11:27:29 2005 Received: from hotmail.com (bay104-f42.bay104.hotmail.com [65.54.175.52]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3QIRM9I027539 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:27:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.175.200 by by104fd.bay104.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:27:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.175.200] X-Originating-Email: [gregb_ka6max@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gregb_ka6max@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Greg Brown" To: users@conserver.com Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:27:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2005 18:27:22.0263 (UTC) FILETIME=[96508270:01C54A8D] X-Spam-Score: -2.229 () BAYES_00,FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: RE: Conserver 7.2.7 using Cyclades terminal servers with SSH X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:27:29 -0000 Bryan, Z, and Kent: Thank you all for your helpful advise. After reading your replies I am leaning towards the Intel platform and FC3. It is the cheapest ;-) solution, and since we are refreshing servers in our data center, I might be able to get my hands on an HP DL380. I will start pouring over the installation documentation for Conserver so I will be ready when the hardware becomes available. You may be seeing some posts from me when I first start the project, but I will try to keep them to a minimum. Kent, thanks for the sample configuration file. The syntax is program-like, something that Bryan came up with to make it extensible, no doubt. It looks like the way to go, but something else I will have fun learning. Zonker, I am currently running Xyplex MX-1620s RJ-45-connected directly to Sun servers using "rolled" CAT-5 round cable which I had made up locally, and it is working great. Also, we are using the Break-fix kit on the MX-1620s from ASP in Colorado. Looking forward to using the Cyclades for the remote sites, but I will have to make up a bunch of new bunch of connectors. I want to look at the MRV servers, but the Cyclades are cheaper ;-) Greg (on emoticon overload) :-p >From: "Brodie, Kent" >To: >Subject: RE: Conserver 7.2.7 using Cyclades terminal servers with SSH >Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:38:36 -0500 > > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 09:59:17AM -0700, Greg Brown wrote: > > > 1) How will Conserver connect to each port on a terminal server >using > > SSH? > > > Does all traffic stay on TCP port 22? (There is a firewall between >the > > 2 > > > networks.) I will be glad to Read The Fine Manual, if someone would > > point > > > out the location of this info. > > > > conserver can interact via ssh by invoking the ssh command as it's > > method of talking to the console (instead of creating a direct tcp > > connection on a port - normally 23). in this case, whatever the ssh > > command does determines the traffic (so, port 22 by default). > >I am successfully doing this; it works well. You need to do the >following: > >a) Create a local user (NOT web user) on the cyclades box. >b) Configure the cyclades port(s) in question to use "Socket SSH" >c) Using your SSH know-how, create an SSH client key on the console >server, and install the public key on the cyclades- in the user >directory of the user account. Test this manually......... >d) Configure your conserver.cf file to include the ssh command. I >have a sample conserver.cf file attached below for reference.... > > > > > 3) I may decide to bring up a new Conserver host on Linux, Fedora >Core 3 > > or > > > ES4, rather than try upgrade on the current HP/UX 10.20 server, or >to > > find > > > an HP/UX 11.x box, or run it on a Sun Solaris server. Is there >anyone > > out > > > there with strong feelings about which OS is best for Conserver and > > whether > > > Linux is adequate? (HP/UX 10.20 on 64-bit architecture has been >working > > > well for me.) > >Similar to Bryan, I don't have any PREFERENCES... but I am >successfully using conserver on RHEL 3, but I suspect it would be just >fine under Fedora, etc. To me, the biggest issue is the stuff on the >server you need to build conserver; Linux comes with all the toys out of >the box, other OS's may require adding GCC and so on..... > >Here's my conserver.cf that does ssh.. I'll probably get bashed for >"why aren't you using such-and-such advanced features?!?!?!"... > >We have two (2) cyclades terminal servers. They're both set up with >the same local userid ("conserver"), and the same SSH client key from >the console host. I only show a small subset of the actual hosts for >clarity.......... > > > ># ># This is a fairly basic configuration file that interacts with one ># terminal server. ># > ># first, we're going to set some generic console defaults so that we ># don't have to duplicate them for each console. >default * { > logfile /var/log/consoles/&; # '&' is replaced with console >name > timestamp 1hab; # write timestamps > rw *; # allow all users > master localhost; >} > >## These are term servers accessed with an ssh command >## local user on these is conserver, they have ssh keys for root >## from this host. ># it too uses pattern substitution and such to get the job done >default cyclades1 { type exec; > host my.cyclades.host.name; > exec /usr/bin/ssh -l conserver:P H; > execsubst H=hs,P=Pd; > portbase 7000; portinc 1; } > >default cyclades2 { type exec; > host my.other.cyclades.host.name; > exec /usr/bin/ssh -l conserver:P H; > execsubst H=hs,P=Pd; > portbase 7000; portinc 1; } > ># ------- define the consoles on ts1.conserver.com -------- >console gray { include cyclades1; port 4; } >console fender { include cyclades1; port 5; } >console white { include cyclades1; port 6; } >console rote { include cyclades1; port 7; } >console ntp { include cyclades1; port 8; } >console ploto { include cyclades1; port 9; } ># >console june { include cyclades2; port 25; } >console mcnally { include cyclades2; port 24; } >console dale { include cyclades2; port 23; } >console brock { include cyclades2; port 22; } >console coffman { include cyclades2; port 21; } ># ># set up the an access list to avoid the default ># anything *not* matched here will fallback to the default access (-a) ># mode >access * { > trusted 127.0.0.1; >} > > > >_______________________________________________ >users mailing list >users@conserver.com >https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users From steve@hydramusic.net Tue Apr 26 15:47:52 2005 Received: from mail01.internetmailserver.net (mail01.internetmailserver.net [64.79.161.12]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j3QMlhBm028980 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18346 invoked by uid 89); 26 Apr 2005 22:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.16.20.233?) (172.16.20.233) by mail01.internetmailserver.net with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 22:47:34 -0000 Message-ID: <426EC5D2.3070404@hydramusic.net> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:50:58 -0700 From: Stever User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: users@conserver.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Commandline test to see if a serial connection is up X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:47:53 -0000 My Digi serial hub seems to be screwing up on me. So I want to write a simple script that tests the serial connection of all the servers that I manage. Here's my question: Is there any way from commandline to send a carriage return to a console and see if I get some sort of response back? I can write a script to handle the details, but I just want to know if I can execute read/write commands to the "console" program from commandline so I can put it in a script. - Steve From sommerfeld@sun.com Tue Apr 26 17:08:24 2005 Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3R08HTn029326 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastmail2bur.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.13.40]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j3R08GjO007663; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:08:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thunk.east.sun.com (thunk.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.66]) by eastmail2bur.East.Sun.COM (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id j3R08FOp023409; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ::1 (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by thunk.east.sun.com (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j3R08FBJ026145; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:08:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Sommerfeld To: Stever In-Reply-To: <426EC5D2.3070404@hydramusic.net> References: <426EC5D2.3070404@hydramusic.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1114560494.24660.919.camel@thunk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.309 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:08:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: users@conserver.com Subject: Re: Commandline test to see if a serial connection is up X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:08:25 -0000 On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 18:50, Stever wrote: > Is there any way from commandline to send a carriage return to a console > and see if I get some sort of response back? I can write a script to > handle the details, but I just want to know if I can execute read/write > commands to the "console" program from commandline so I can put it in a > script. Look for a package called "expect"; it's great for scripting this sort of thing. - Bill From bryan@stansell.org Tue Apr 26 17:30:07 2005 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3R0U7jo029455 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j3R0U7mw029454 for users@conserver.com; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:30:07 -0700 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Message-ID: <20050427003007.GY7628@underdog.stansell.org> References: <426EC5D2.3070404@hydramusic.net> <1114560494.24660.919.camel@thunk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1114560494.24660.919.camel@thunk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Re: Commandline test to see if a serial connection is up X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:30:08 -0000 you can also do very simple things like: (echo '^M^Ec.'; sleep 4) | console foo > output at least, it worked the last time i tried it. obviously, it's less than elegant. probably only really useful for quick command-line hacks. for anything serious or reliable, do what bill said and use something like expect. Bryan On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 08:08:15PM -0400, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 18:50, Stever wrote: > > Is there any way from commandline to send a carriage return to a console > > and see if I get some sort of response back? I can write a script to > > handle the details, but I just want to know if I can execute read/write > > commands to the "console" program from commandline so I can put it in a > > script. > > Look for a package called "expect"; it's great for scripting this sort > of thing. From mccantaj@amgen.com Tue Apr 26 18:15:16 2005 Received: from mx1.amgen.com (mx1.amgen.com [138.133.232.138]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3R1F9Y8029659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxi-2.amgen.com (toaster [138.133.19.15]) by mx1.amgen.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3R1F3lv012137 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WA-BH1-SEA.amgen.com (wa-bh1-sea.immunex.com [10.220.226.99]) by mxi-2.amgen.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j3R1F2Yt003051 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wa-bh1-sea.amgen.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:15:02 -0700 Message-ID: <16834C6DFFA6004C88DE4507FB8AE54401FBB7BE@wa-mb4-sea.amgen.com> From: "McCanta, Jay" To: "'users@conserver.com'" Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:15:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C54AC6.8908E52E" X-Spam-Score: -4.187 () BAYES_00, HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: escape sequences/telnet X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 01:15:17 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------_=_NextPart_001_01C54AC6.8908E52E Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I have some IBM x330's and the serial redirection of the BIOS is very sensitive. The systems are connected to an Equinox terminal server. In order for F1, arrow keys, etc to work, I have to use "|telnet" instead of being able to talk to the terminal server directly. With ethereal, I found that telnet sends the [B all three characters go in one packet. When conserver does it, the goes in a packet and then the [B goes in another packet. Is this by design? Is there a way around it? If I were to have to customize code, where might I look (console.c line ~1251)? I am trying to avoid having over 150 telnet processes on a box that is pretty maxed out. Jay McCanta Amgen Washington 206-265-8335 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C54AC6.8908E52E Content-Type: text/html Content-Disposition: inline

I have some IBM x330's and the serial redirection of the BIOS is very sensitive.  The systems are connected to an Equinox terminal server.  In order for F1, arrow keys, etc to work, I have to use "|telnet" instead of being able to talk to the terminal server directly.  With ethereal, I found that telnet sends the  <ESC>[B all three characters go in one packet.  When conserver does it, the <ESC> goes in a packet and then the [B goes in another packet.  Is this by design?  Is there a way around it?  If I were to have to customize code, where might I look (console.c line ~1251)?  I am trying to avoid having over 150 telnet processes on a box that is pretty maxed out.

 

Jay McCanta

Amgen Washington

206-265-8335

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C54AC6.8908E52E-- From bryan@stansell.org Wed Apr 27 08:25:15 2005 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3RFPFit009529 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j3RFPF1N009528 for users@conserver.com; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:25:15 -0700 From: Bryan Stansell To: "'users@conserver.com'" Message-ID: <20050427152515.GA9070@underdog.stansell.org> References: <16834C6DFFA6004C88DE4507FB8AE54401FBB7BE@wa-mb4-sea.amgen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16834C6DFFA6004C88DE4507FB8AE54401FBB7BE@wa-mb4-sea.amgen.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Re: escape sequences/telnet X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:25:16 -0000 what version are you running? i made a conscious effort to remove any "chopping" of the data so that if the client reads N characters from the user (in a single read()), then it passes all the way from client code out server code as a N character write() out the other end. i just did a simple test with 8.1.11 on solaris and the debug log shows: [Wed Apr 27 08:04:19 2005] conserver (9106): DEBUG: [cutil.c:1143] FileRead(): read `^[OR' from fd 6 [Wed Apr 27 08:04:19 2005] conserver (9106): DEBUG: [group.c:3809] Kiddie(): wbuf=^[OR^@ [Wed Apr 27 08:04:19 2005] conserver (9106): DEBUG: [cutil.c:1191] FileWrite(): sending `^[OR' to fd 5 [Wed Apr 27 08:04:22 2005] conserver (9106): DEBUG: [cutil.c:1143] FileRead(): read `^[OR' from fd 6 [Wed Apr 27 08:04:22 2005] conserver (9106): DEBUG: [group.c:3809] Kiddie(): wbuf=^[OR^@ [Wed Apr 27 08:04:22 2005] conserver (9106): DEBUG: [cutil.c:1191] FileWrite(): sending `^[OR' to fd 5 i was connected to a web server (hey, it's a tcp port) and you can see it being read from the client port (fd 6) and sent to the "console" (fd 5). i hit the key twice, hence the double output. so, if you're using 8.1.11 and seeing issues, try running conserver with -DDD and lets look at some of the output like above. if you're not using 8.1.11, upgrade. i don't know when things got fixed, exactly, but it looks like it is. Bryan On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 06:15:01PM -0700, McCanta, Jay wrote: > I have some IBM x330's and the serial redirection of the BIOS is very > sensitive. The systems are connected to an Equinox terminal server. In > order for F1, arrow keys, etc to work, I have to use "|telnet" instead of > being able to talk to the terminal server directly. With ethereal, I found > that telnet sends the [B all three characters go in one packet. When > conserver does it, the goes in a packet and then the [B goes in > another packet. Is this by design? Is there a way around it? If I were to > have to customize code, where might I look (console.c line ~1251)? I am > trying to avoid having over 150 telnet processes on a box that is pretty > maxed out. > > > > Jay McCanta > > Amgen Washington > > 206-265-8335 > > > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users From mccantaj@amgen.com Wed Apr 27 08:35:21 2005 Received: from mx2.amgen.com (mx2.amgen.com [138.133.232.139]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3RFZ0rp009598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxi-2.amgen.com (toaster [138.133.19.15]) by mx2.amgen.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3RFYjg3015305 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WA-BH1-SEA.amgen.com (wa-bh1-sea.immunex.com [10.220.226.99]) by mxi-2.amgen.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j3RFWxYt024061 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wa-bh1-sea.amgen.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:32:59 -0700 Message-ID: <16834C6DFFA6004C88DE4507FB8AE54401FBB7C9@wa-mb4-sea.amgen.com> From: "McCanta, Jay" To: "'users@conserver.com'" Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:32:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: RE: escape sequences/telnet X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:35:21 -0000 Argh... That was the problem. The system was using an older 7.x version. Tested with the 8.1.11 and its working well. Jay McCanta Senior Systems Administrator Amgen, Inc. 1201 Amgen Ct. West Seattle, WA 98119 206-265-8335 -----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Stansell Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:25 AM To: 'users@conserver.com' Subject: Re: escape sequences/telnet what version are you running? i made a conscious effort to remove any "chopping" of the data so that if the client reads N characters from the user (in a single read()), then it passes all the way from client code out server code as a N character write() out the other end. i just did a simple test with 8.1.11 on solaris and the debug log shows: [Wed Apr 27 08:04:19 2005] conserver (9106): DEBUG: [cutil.c:1143] FileRead(): read `^[OR' from fd 6 [Wed Apr 27 08:04:19 2005] conserver (9106): DEBUG: [group.c:3809] Kiddie(): wbuf=^[OR^@ [Wed Apr 27 08:04:19 2005] conserver (9106): DEBUG: [cutil.c:1191] FileWrite(): sending `^[OR' to fd 5 [Wed Apr 27 08:04:22 2005] conserver (9106): DEBUG: [cutil.c:1143] FileRead(): read `^[OR' from fd 6 [Wed Apr 27 08:04:22 2005] conserver (9106): DEBUG: [group.c:3809] Kiddie(): wbuf=^[OR^@ [Wed Apr 27 08:04:22 2005] conserver (9106): DEBUG: [cutil.c:1191] FileWrite(): sending `^[OR' to fd 5 i was connected to a web server (hey, it's a tcp port) and you can see it being read from the client port (fd 6) and sent to the "console" (fd 5). i hit the key twice, hence the double output. so, if you're using 8.1.11 and seeing issues, try running conserver with -DDD and lets look at some of the output like above. if you're not using 8.1.11, upgrade. i don't know when things got fixed, exactly, but it looks like it is. Bryan On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 06:15:01PM -0700, McCanta, Jay wrote: > I have some IBM x330's and the serial redirection of the BIOS is very > sensitive. The systems are connected to an Equinox terminal server. In > order for F1, arrow keys, etc to work, I have to use "|telnet" instead of > being able to talk to the terminal server directly. With ethereal, I found > that telnet sends the [B all three characters go in one packet. When > conserver does it, the goes in a packet and then the [B goes in > another packet. Is this by design? Is there a way around it? If I were to > have to customize code, where might I look (console.c line ~1251)? I am > trying to avoid having over 150 telnet processes on a box that is pretty > maxed out. > > > > Jay McCanta > > Amgen Washington > > 206-265-8335 > > > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@conserver.com > https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users _______________________________________________ users mailing list users@conserver.com https://www.conserver.com/mailman/listinfo/users