From m.d.t.evans@qmul.ac.uk Mon Nov 1 12:07:20 2004 Received: from b36-pc20.org (202-0-62-62.cable.paradise.net.nz [202.0.62.62] (may be forged)) by underdog.stansell.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id iA1K79uW027008 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:07:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:07:07 +1200 To: "Users" From: "M.d.t.evans" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--------ravgtjxarhdrnkntfudb" X-Spam-Score: 1.14 (*) BAYES_20,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Re: Hi X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:07:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ----------ravgtjxarhdrnkntfudb Content-Type: text/plain; name="warning1.txt" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="warning1.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.411 (Entity 5.404) WARNING: This e-mail has been altered by MIMEDefang. Following this paragraph are indications of the actual changes made. For more information about your site's MIMEDefang policy, contact Bryan Stansell . For more information about MIMEDefang, see: http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/enduser.php3 An attachment named Price.exe was removed from this document as it constituted a security hazard. If you require this document, please contact the sender and arrange an alternate means of receiving it. ----------ravgtjxarhdrnkntfudb Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline :))
----------ravgtjxarhdrnkntfudb-- From frank@tinatin.de Sat Nov 6 15:31:47 2004 Received: from natnoddy.rzone.de (natnoddy.rzone.de [81.169.145.166]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA6NVier028214 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from frs300 (pD9E73F53.dip.t-dialin.net [217.231.63.83]) by post.webmailer.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iA6NVhHY020905 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:31:43 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <003201c4c458$d5d9e690$0c0111ac@frs300> From: "Frank R. Schneider" To: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:32:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C4C461.36FAE2A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: -3.629 () BAYES_00,HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: conserver as serial portserver? X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:31:47 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C4C461.36FAE2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hello, I implemented conserver with /dev/ttya and /dev/ttyb as devices on a SS5 sp= arc station. Each of the ports (A/B) is connected via a serial line to one = sparc cluster node of a suncluster. I now may connect via "console -f ttyX" to each of the nodes consoles. This= is thus a comfortable replacement for tip hardwireX (/etc/remote adapted). What I really want is to connect to the consoles on ttya and ttyb via a com= mand like "telnet localhost " where port should be specific for eithe= r ttya or ttyb - i.e. I want to substitute the missing annex by the conserv= er SW. Does anyone know, how conserver.cf has to be modified to get this working? Thanks in advance, Regards Frank ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C4C461.36FAE2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hello, I implemented conserver with /dev= /ttya and=20 /dev/ttyb as devices on a SS5 sparc station. Each of the ports (A/B) is=20 connected via a serial line to one sparc cluster node of a=20 suncluster. I now may connect via "console -f= ttyX" to each of=20 the nodes consoles. This is thus a comfortable replacement for tip hardwire= X=20 (/etc/remote adapted). What I really want is to connect = to the consoles on=20 ttya and ttyb via a command like "telnet localhost <port>" where port= =20 should be specific for either ttya or ttyb - i.e. I want to substitute the= =20 missing annex by the conserver SW. Does anyone know, how conserver.c= f has to be=20 modified to get this working? Thanks in advance, Regards Frank ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C4C461.36FAE2A0-- From bryan@stansell.org Sat Nov 6 15:42:40 2004 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA6Ngdxw028430 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:42:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iA6NgdVh028429 for users@conserver.com; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:42:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:42:39 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Message-ID: <20041106234239.GM22343@underdog.stansell.org> References: <003201c4c458$d5d9e690$0c0111ac@frs300> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <003201c4c458$d5d9e690$0c0111ac@frs300> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Re: conserver as serial portserver? X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:42:40 -0000 conserver won't do that for you. not directly, at least. it *is* listening on tcp ports, and you could connect, authenticate, ask for the console, etc (just like the 'console' program does) and then get connected (it's not a minor action, however). but to act more like a terminal server, you probably really want something like ser2net (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ser2net/). i haven't used it, but it seems pretty darn cool, and more in line with what you're looking for. i think there is at least one other package like ser2net out there, i just don't remember what it's called (or if it really exists). Bryan On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 12:32:08AM +0100, Frank R. Schneider wrote: > What I really want is to connect to the consoles on ttya and ttyb via > a command like "telnet localhost " where port should be specific > for either ttya or ttyb - i.e. I want to substitute the missing annex > by the conserver SW. From cfowler@outpostsentinel.com Sat Nov 6 17:36:28 2004 Received: from outpostsentinel.com (66-23-198-138.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.198.138]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA71aPrQ029275 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:36:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cfowler@localhost) by outpostsentinel.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA71cIY25365 for users@conserver.com; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:38:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:38:18 -0500 From: Christopher Fowler To: users@conserver.com Message-ID: <20041107013818.GA25342@moses.outpostsentinel.com> References: <003201c4c458$d5d9e690$0c0111ac@frs300> <20041106234239.GM22343@underdog.stansell.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041106234239.GM22343@underdog.stansell.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Re: conserver as serial portserver? X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 01:36:28 -0000 On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 03:42:39PM -0800, Bryan Stansell wrote: > conserver won't do that for you. not directly, at least. it *is* > listening on tcp ports, and you could connect, authenticate, ask for the > console, etc (just like the 'console' program does) and then get > connected (it's not a minor action, however). but to act more like a > terminal server, you probably really want something like ser2net > (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ser2net/). i haven't used it, but it > seems pretty darn cool, and more in line with what you're looking for. > i think there is at least one other package like ser2net out there, i > just don't remember what it's called (or if it really exists). > > Bryan > > On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 12:32:08AM +0100, Frank R. Schneider wrote: > > What I really want is to connect to the consoles on ttya and ttyb via > > a command like "telnet localhost " where port should be specific > > for either ttya or ttyb - i.e. I want to substitute the missing annex > > by the conserver SW. Bryan is rught. Conserver will not unless you add an abstraction layer on top. It is possible to create what we would call revtcp in the Terminal Server world that will work with conserver. You simply need to use pseudo tty's and write something based on the conserver protocol. You could even do it simply by executing console. You could replace the annex but you need a multi-port IO board. All is possible but ser2net is your best bet. Chris From bryan@stansell.org Sun Nov 7 02:08:53 2004 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA7A8rk4009619 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 02:08:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iA7A8rTe009618 for users@conserver.com; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 02:08:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 02:08:53 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: users@conserver.com Message-ID: <20041107100853.GO22343@underdog.stansell.org> References: <003201c4c458$d5d9e690$0c0111ac@frs300> <20041106234239.GM22343@underdog.stansell.org> <20041107013818.GA25342@moses.outpostsentinel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041107013818.GA25342@moses.outpostsentinel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Re: conserver as serial portserver? X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:08:54 -0000 On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 08:38:18PM -0500, Christopher Fowler wrote: > Bryan is rught. Conserver will not unless you add an abstraction > layer on top. It is possible to create what we would call revtcp in > the Terminal Server world that will work with conserver. You simply > need to use pseudo tty's and write something based on the conserver > protocol. You could even do it simply by executing console. You > could replace the annex but you need a multi-port IO board. All is > possible but ser2net is your best bet. that reminds me. you could use inetd to handle the tcp port watching and have it invoke the console program. someone else just recently shared with me his experiences doing just that. if you don't have to worry about authentication (have localhost set to trusted in the .cf file, for example), then it's pretty easy. if not, the console command wants to interact with a pseudo-tty to get passwords, and you'd have to wrap the whole thing in expect or some other such environment that'll allocate the pseudo-tty. you still won't have a raw tcp-to-serial connection. it'll be just like you ran the console command locally, so escape sequences and stuff work, etc. but, it does allow you to then log all that traffic, allow others to watch what's going on, etc. Bryan From woods@building.weird.com Sun Nov 7 12:37:57 2004 Received: from building.weird.com (building.weird.com [204.92.254.24]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA7KbsxI016381 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (2900 bytes) by building.weird.com via sendmail with STDIO (sender: ) (ident using UNIX) id for ; (dest:remote)(R=bind_hosts)(T=inet_zone_bind_smtp) Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:37:48 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.121-Pre 2004-Aug-27 #1 built 2004-Nov-1) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:37:48 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Face: ; j3Eth2XV8h1Yfu*uL{<:dQ$#E[DB0gemGZJ"J#4fH*][ lz; @-iwMv_u\6uIEKR0KY"=MzoQH#CrqBN`nG_5B@rrM8,f~Gr&h5a\= To: "Frank R. Schneider" In-Reply-To: <003201c4c458$d5d9e690$0c0111ac@frs300> References: <003201c4c458$d5d9e690$0c0111ac@frs300> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: ConServer User's Mailing List Subject: Re: conserver as serial portserver? X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ConServer User's Mailing List List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:37:58 -0000 [ On Sunday, November 7, 2004 at 00:32:08 (+0100), Frank R. Schneider wrote: ] > Subject: conserver as serial portserver? > > What I really want is to connect to the consoles on ttya and ttyb via > a command like "telnet localhost " where port should be specific > for either ttya or ttyb - i.e. I want to substitute the missing annex > by the conserver SW. > > Does anyone know, how conserver.cf has to be modified to get this working? I'm not really sure why you'd want to use clunky old "telnet" in place of the much more featureful "console" client command. :-) In fact I use conserver to front-end my terminal servers through their telnet feature and if I could compile and build conserver to run directly on my terminal server (as you can on your SS5) then I'd be very happy to get rid of the unnecessary intermediate TELNET layer. ;-) However if you really do want only to implement a reverse-telnet terminal server on a unix host then conserver is not the right tool for the job. Conserver does something similar to what you want to do but it does not use any standard widely implemented protocol such as TELNET. A TELNET interface is a feature that could be implemented in conserver of course, but given the existing "console" client program is quite portable and given the private protocol it uses is so much more capable for the desired features than TELNET is, I hardly see the point. You might want to have a look around for something called TermPkg as it does implement exactly what you say you want. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be available at its old home location: ftp://ftp.linuxlots.com/usr/termpkg/termpkg-3.3.tar.gz It does still have a FreshMeat project page though: http://freshmeat.net/projects/termpkg/ Perhaps the linuxlots.com services are just partly down temporarily for some reason.... See also RFC 2217. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098 VE3TCP RoboHack Planix, Inc. Secrets of the Weird From bryan@stansell.org Tue Nov 9 01:46:24 2004 Received: from underdog.stansell.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by underdog.stansell.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA99kOh7022935; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 01:46:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bryan@localhost) by underdog.stansell.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iA99kOwf022934; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 01:46:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 01:46:24 -0800 From: Bryan Stansell To: announce@conserver.com, users@conserver.com Message-ID: <20041109094624.GD22343@underdog.stansell.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: Subject: conserver-8.1.11 is available X-BeenThere: users@conserver.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Conserver Users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:46:25 -0000 This new version has a small bug fix, a couple enhancements, as well as a fairly major philosophical switch. Before (for no real reason except my own confusion) a client could only be read-write if the console was up. This is no longer true, since they really don't have anything to do with each other. This change makes things much simpler, which is always a good thing. As always, here's the full list of changes: version 8.1.11 (Nov 9, 2004): - fixed array bounds and stack tromping - reported by Emmett Hogan - most recent client to ask for read-write now gets it (used to be first client to connect) - client read-write mode now separate from console up/down state - 'make autologin.install' now compiles autologin - reported by Graham Merrill - new 'autocomplete' option for controlling shortest-prefix console name matching (which has always been on) - client now blocks on ^Eco, waiting for status of connection - added 'a' and 'A' for upper and lowercase alphanumeric (0-9a-z) conversions to the *subst config items - based on patch by Jonathan Chen Enjoy! Bryan Stansell